Help me! I'm weakening!

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buzz_knox

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Bachman's has *&* 442 for $319. I've always thought a 442 would be a perfect backup piece/pocket gun but didn't get one before the sell-out. But, this traitorous portion of my brain keeps saying "it's okay, it was probably already in the pipeline."

Is there a support group for people like me? Next thing you know, I'll be considering a Ruger!
 
Buzz, get the gun. I know that others will flame me for this but look at it this way ... Anti's want to put gun makers out of business by suing them into bankruptcy (i.e., all of the cities & HUD's lawsuits) while those who boycott S&W are trying to put them out of business by a different method. However, the END RESULT is the SAME -- the second largest handgun maker in the world will be no more and the anti's get their wish and the boycott'ers will have given it to them.

Just my thoughts on things. Give me a minute to get my flame retardent suit on ...
 
Fud is correct. We have spanked Smith & Wesson, demonstrated what will be done to others who follow suit. I think we should stop, wait, and watch. We can't be the ones who destroy S&W. This was a brillant move by the Anti's. Lets not play thier game.
 
Greetings; I would like to echo the words
spoken by my friend FUD, and RaSosko!!! :)

Regards,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
All together now:

"Smith & Wesson must die ... Smith & Wesson must die ...Smith & Wesson must die ... Smith & Wesson must die ...Smith & Wesson must die ... Smith & Wesson must die ...Smith & Wesson must die ... Smith & Wesson must die ..."

Until the company dies, that despicable agreement with stay around to haunt us all.
Whether they've learned their lesson (which is doubtful) has nothing at all to do with it.

pax

"I never did give anybody he!!. I just told the truth and they thought it was he!!." -- Harry S Truman
 
NO SURRENDER! :mad:

If ANYONE has the right to kill off this company, it is gunowners, NOT the federal government!

Yes, S&W MAY go away. But if it goes away because we boycotted it into oblivion, I believe that is MUCH better than the government doing it.

Why? It shows other gun companies that it is in their best interests to FIGHT instead of rolling over on its back like a subservient dog.

As much as I love Smith & Wesson revolvers, and as much as it hurts me to say so, I would rather be responsible for driving them out of business instead of giving the Government the satisfaction.

Pyhric victory, but a moral and just one.

As for the 442 you want, HIT THE GUN SHOW CIRCUIT AND FIND A USED ONE!



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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
If you show the distributors that there is a demand for S&W products, THEY will be the ones that are forced to comply with the agreement in order to continue to sell S&W, and will no longer be able to sell anything else, which makes no economic sense (for the distributor). A boycott by owners is silly in that respect, because owners would have to buy a significantly higher percentage of S&W than any other brand, thus creating enough demand and making economic sense for the distributor to drop other manufacturers that don't meet the specs of the agreement S&W signed. Therefore, S&W has screwed themselves, boycott or no. The only thing that would save them is a HUGE increase in demand for their product; my guess is they were shooting for government sales and "one-brand" distributors when they signed the agreement, it's the only thing that makes any sense.

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buzz,

This is a tough one for me also. I bought a pre-sellout 638 earlier this year. Last week I bought a NIB 331 from an individual on the Internet. He is NOT a dealer, but I don't know if he bought the gun before or after the agreement. Frankly, I don't care. The gun is for my wife, and I believe it is the ideal handgun suited for her, so I am not going to compromise her safety on this issue, no matter what.

I have strong feelings about the way S&W capitulated, but at the same time I believe that they make the finest affordably-priced revolvers in the world. I also believe that ultimately they will suffer their demise when the agreement fully comes into effect. So, while I am not going out of my way to purchase any more S&W's, and I if I want another I will do my best to find a used one, I will not condemn anybody for seeking to have the best that is available. I think a reasonable person might conclude that you should get the gun while you have the chance, because the anti's and S&W's own poor decisions will soon spell the end for this company. Basically, this entire situation makes me both very sad and very angry.
 
I do not want to patronize S&W as much as the next person, but I would go ahead and buy it. Why you ask. Because in the near future S&W pistols will all be electronic pieces of crap. What do I mean. I mean that the owner will be the only person to shoot the dang thing because their guns will have electronic finger prints. How is that for a crock of BS. Smart guns at their best.
Sling Shot
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sling Shot:
I do not want to patronize S&W as much as the next person, but I would go ahead and buy it. Why you ask. Because in the near future S&W pistols will all be electronic pieces of crap. What do I mean. I mean that the owner will be the only person to shoot the dang thing because their guns will have electronic finger prints. How is that for a crock of BS. Smart guns at their best.
Sling Shot[/quote]

Sling Shot,

This is an even BETTER reason to purchase a used gun from a secondary source!



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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
It's your hard-earned cash, so it's not my place to tell you where to spend it. But if you support S&W by buying their goods, you're telling every other gun manufacturer in the world that they can sell us out and get away with it. I feel it's my personal responsibility as a staunch RKBA defender to let the other gun manufacturers know that it's more profitable in the long run to fight the suits and the US gov't. S&W will never get a dime from me. The Anti's have already won this one. S&W took the devil's deal, and I hope they perish for it. Either way, they've lost - they squandered a little piece of our freedom to help themselves out of a jam, and look where it got 'em. Either we can lose ONE manufacturer to the Anti's and send the rest of them a CLEAR message that we WILL NOT tolerate having our rights compromised, OR we can continue to support S&W and essentially lose the rest of the manufacturers and our rights with them. Just something to consider...
 
Well, I guess I'm going to give what could be considered a mixed opinion here but please bear with me a minute......
I have gotten into some heated and, sadly, in my opinion, misfortuate and regretable diagreements (verbal altercations) with some of my fellow "patriots" in my support of the boycott. I will not say that I want to see Smith die but I dang well want them to die in their present state.
But in this case I would buy the gun. :eek: Why, you ask? If I am not mistaken Bachman's is not a stocking dealer. They specialize in used, trade ins and "over stock" guns. But before I bought I would ask! If they are not a restocking dealer buy it. If they are not only pass on it but anything else that they sell and let them know why. Right now I would rather skin my first born alive than buy a gun that Smith was going to get money for. (He is a large boy and the skinning would be painful at best for both of us. ;))
Ask if they plan to restock.....if not get it.

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Gunslinger

I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!
 
Gunslinger - Don't get me wrong...I hate so see a company with as much heritage as S&W go under. I blame the Klinton administration for this even more than I blame the traitors that make the decisions at S&W. I feel for the employees and their families. It's not their fault their bosses $crewed us or that our gov't. is attacking them from every possible angle, but it's darn sure not my fault either. Like you said, in their present state I'd just rather see them put out of their (and our) misery. I wish they could crawfish on the deal and turn everything around, but they couldn't even if they wanted to. As the saying goes, they've made their bed...

And to others that may still not understand my point of view, let me emphasize that this is not about payback. As much as I despise the decision that S&W made, my philosophy is merely one of prevention. The only way we're gonna prevent other manufacturers from following S&W's deplorable "lead" is to show them that they cannot survive without our support. And they have to realize that they won't get that support if they play "let's make a deal" with the gov't.



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Buzz,

Buy a Ruger, they're now #1 anyway. And I always did believe they made better revolvers than S&W. I know their pistols are better.

Good luck.

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"Charlton Heston is my President"

Danny45
NRA, NAHC, Buckmasters
 
"Buy a Ruger"? Are you kidding? This guy has moral issues with S&W's lack of support for his RKBA and you say "buy a Ruger"? Thats just got to be the stupidest damn thing I've read in days.
 
Buzz, find a used gun. S&W must die. Right now they're feeling the righteous anger of shooters who believe the Constitution is not a piece of toilet paper, but they're hoping that as time goes by we will weaken and forget. I had the same feeling as you when I saw a lovely new Model 27 in the gun case a few weeks ago, but I successfully resisted. You can, too.

S&W must die.
 
David,

You could have guiltlessly purchased that 27, UNLESS it was one of the Performance Center 8-shot models.

The 6-shot 27 has been out of production for 5 years or so...

If it was a 6-shot, it's been sitting on dealer shelves for awhile.

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
Buy Smith but buy NOS or used. That way you get a fine gun without supporting; what ever you want to call em.

Let us not forget that S&W also signed on to and supported the hi-cap magizine ban, not just Ruger.

Sam...carbine loads in 696 snubby are interestipating indeed.
 
BB,

Maybe you know something about Ruger that I don't. You're more than welcome to e-mail me to enlighten if you wish. I confess that I don't ALWAYS read the news papers. But I do read alot of hunting and gun magazines and apparently have missed whatever it is you're talking about.

I was talking about the quality of firearms anyway. S&W has always been sh** and always will be. I carried them in the Military (Model 15), and as a LEO (model 66 and 686). I also had a model 59 and another compact 9mm that was so UN-impressive I don't even remember the model number.

The Ruger Security Six I had was twice the gun their revolvers were.



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"Charlton Heston is my President"

Danny45
NRA, NAHC, Buckmasters
 
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