Help: 44 Mag or 454 Handgun and Recommended Ammo for Extended Stay in Alaska

Although bear attacks are very rare here in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, they do happen. Four years ago my neighbor was attacked by a mother bear while walking a big ole 12 year dog he just adopted a week prior from the humane society. He got between the mother and the cubs and she attacked him several times; grabbing him by his lower arm as he raised it to protect himself. While he was fighting the bear, his dog barked and nabbed at the bear until finally the bear let go and went after the dog. In essence, my neighbor saved the dog from being put down at the humane society and the dog thanked him by quite possibly saving his life from the bear. The bear messed up his arm pretty bad and I think he had to get a series of rabies shots. After the attack, whenever my neighbor came over to visit he always had a sidearm strapped to his side.

This summer I had a run in with a mother bear while I was mountain biking and running my dogs on an ole two track road near my house. Far in front of my dogs, as I came down a long hill and turned a corner at the bottom, there she was; a mother bear and 3 cubs. The cubs instantly took off but the mother stood her ground and aggressively charged several times. Finally, my dogs caught up and when she saw the dogs, the bear took off.

It was the scariest moment of my life, and quite frankly, I didn’t know what to do. In the few seconds of the encounter I thought about fighting back, using my bike as a shield, or perhaps playing dead. It was a surreal moment. Although I didn’t do anything except stand there straddling my bike while she false charged, I now realize being educated and prepared for bear attacks is important if you spend a lot of time in the woods.

On the way home after the incident, I told myself I’d never again venture in the woods without a handgun or some kind of protection. The next week, I bought a 10mm Smith & Wesson 1006 specifically for UP black bear protection. I wish I would’ve know then that I’d be going to Alaska as I probably would have bought a bigger gun such as the 44 or 454. Guns and ammo were much easier to find and cheaper to buy last summer compared to today.
 
Actually you are better off with pepper spray than any gun.

Bears actually LIKE pepper spray once it is on something, LIKE YOU, it makes for a tastier lunch break!!! Trust me, if you are on a mountain in the wind, IT WILL BLOW BACK IN YOUR FACE!!! and you will make a nice snack:D

The stats are good for bear spray, but in the real world stats are just numbers if you are THE ONE actually being attacked.

Stats say airlines are super safe, so why wear a safely belt???
 
even then I still had it with me sometimes (like when calling for predators only armed with a .243 or .223).

I know THAT FEELING! I always had my 454 with me as well calling, as sometimes big and nasty things with big teeth may show up, not just a coyote!!!:eek:

Cats, big or small are rarely seen until they very close or on you already ... had to detect by us humans!!!;)

Never leave home for the woods without a handgun and toilet paper (the most likely time you will see game is when in the process of using that toilet paper, hence my always carry policy!!!:rolleyes:)
 
Trust me, if you are on a mountain in the wind, IT WILL BLOW BACK IN YOUR FACE!!! and you will make a nice snack
Bear spray may or may not work on a bear but it will work on YOU every single time! You think you're helpless against a bear with a handgun, try rubbing some concentrated pepper sauce in your face. :eek:
 
Yeah, supposedly they will go 30'. While hiking Glacier last year, I had the safety off on the spray and forgot to put it back when I got back to the motel. Long story short, the spray fell off the end table while packing. In a matter of seconds I couldn't catch my breath. I ran out in the hall choking and housecleaning tried to go back in and open the window. She was overcome. They were glad to see me leave :D

Blowback is a real problem on a windy day, and I refuse to use it under those circumstances.
 
Ever try spraying that pepper into a 30+ mph wind? I haven't either.

I think it's a great idea to have the spray as well as a good firearm. If only carrying one the firearm is more versatile.

I posted this in the "Ruger Alaskan" thread as well.

Not sure if you heard about this story, a Soldatna AK man got very lucky with a CNS hit on a charging 1/2 starved old brownie. After the fatal shot his cylinder locked up. He had cartridges loaded that were in the gun for multiple firings.

Read the story here.

http://peninsulaclarion.com/stories/080709/out_478669517.shtml
 
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I've seen that story. Huge bear without teeth that was in tough shape. The no teeth issue wouldn't have stopped him from killing this guy and tearing him apart with his claws. Most attacks are luck when a bear is shot and killed. The fact he got off 2 or 3 and hit CNS was even more amazing.

My favorite attack were the 5 guys last year that went back the next morning to find a bull elk that had been bow shot the evening before. Of course a big male was waiting for them when they got there and charged. 4 guys had large caliber handguns and 1 had a shotgun with birdshot. The 4 guys emptied their handguns as the bear charged again and again. His final charge he got within 20 feet when the shotgun blast hit him and sent him on his way. The rangers found the blood trail, but figured the bear survived as it was minimal.

Most days I hike it's a pretty good wind unless it's early in the morning. I worry more about sow/cubs as they tend to use the trails quite a bit. I've been fortunate to only run into a young male many years ago in BC. After a couple of bluffs he moved on, but it scared the crap out of me.
 
I will be going to Palmer, Alaska for 6 months for a work project.

They have a nice park where I eat my local 'Grizzly Chips' a fine potato chip, and a nice combo-deli sandwich from the deli across the street from the park and city garden... Lovely place with a mountain backdrop.

Back on point.

Remember one thing amongst all the other tips you have received,

DON'T MISS IF YOU SHOOT!!!:D
 
Trust me, if you are on a mountain in the wind, IT WILL BLOW BACK IN YOUR FACE!!! and you will make a nice snack
The evidence just does not support your claim:
"As for the wind, Smith reported that in "7 percent of bear spray incidents, wind was reported to have interfered with spray accuracy, although it reached bears in every case."
"Ninety-eight percent were uninjured by bears in close-range encounters," they concluded. The few that were injured suffered minor wounds.
Clearly, Smith said, the stuff works.
Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2008/04/20/381252/spray-proves-its-worth-in-bear.html#storylink=cpy
Versus:
a Soldatna AK man got very lucky with a CNS hit on a charging 1/2 starved old brownie.
I will take the No fatalities, No serious injuries, with or without wind, in Alaska every time that it has been used than just wish to be "lucky".

That said, I do carry either one or a combination of: a rifle, shotgun with slugs, handgun as back up year round. In the Winter, when it is really cold, I leave the spray at home; no need to have it explode while on my person. Only then do I rely on a firearm as my primary defense considering bears, which are not true hibernators.
YMMV
 
My vote is for the Ruger Alaskan in .454 Casull, of course I am biased as this is what I carry when tromping around in the bush, shotguns are great until you have to carry one around all day when hiking or fishing. Oh yea one other thing, Palmer is a great place and quit beautiful, not the drug/crime ridden place others have eluded to, now the Butte on the other hand is another story;)
 
I went to Alaska to hunt black bear in 1988 with my 7 1/2" Ruger Redhawk. I declined my shot when I saw the bear's cub. My brother took one with his 30-06, about 150lbs. When I got home, I decided I wanted a bigger gun, and got the 7 1/2" Freedom Arms .454. We went back in 1989 and I dropped a huge 300lb bear in his tracks at 60 yds. 300gr bullet went through both shoulders and lodged in his cheekbone, and he dropped in his tracks. No way the 44 mag would have done that.

I love the 44 mag Redhawk, but big pistols don't compare well with rifles, as far as energy. The .454 at least brings you up there with the non magnum rifles.

I took a lot of Ohio deer with that Redhawk, but what I loved about the .454 is, unlike the .44, I've only once had to track one down.

The recoil is punishing, and as was mentioned, nothing works if you can't hit what your aiming for. If single action doesn't catch your fancy, The now available Redhawk or Taurus .454 is an option. If you are a handloader, you can load from .45 LC to .44 Mag energy levels until you learn to master the full power .454 loads. Don;t fear the 7 1/2" barrel. Its not bad for carry at all, especially in comparison to a long gun. It makes the recoil much more manageable, and will enable to keep it on target more easily, and its still a quick draw from a holster properly carried. Quite frankly, I don;t know how they even shoot those short barrel canons.

As was mentioned in another post, black bears are far more likely to be a menace than a griz but attacks by either are rare, and the elements in Alaska kill far more people than critters.
 
We went back in 1989 and I dropped a huge 300lb bear in his tracks at 60 yds. 300gr bullet went through both shoulders and lodged in his cheekbone, and he dropped in his tracks. No way the 44 mag would have done that.
Sorry but I have to disagree. A 300lb black bear is child's play for a properly loaded .44Mag. Energy is meaningless.
 
TimSr: A 500 or 600 lb black bear is huge. All that said, I'm glad you had a good time. I agree with you on the tracking side of things on deer.

In my opinion, black bears are the ones you need to concern yourself with in Alaska. There are lots of them.
 
Sorry but I have to disagree. A 300lb black bear is child's play for a properly loaded .44Mag. Energy is meaningless.

While I'd have had no qualms about taking this shot with the .44 mag, and have killed him just as dead, it doesn't handle bone nearly as well as the Casull, and I don't believe I would have had the exit wound, nor done nearly the damage all the way through caused him to drop so quickly. When I'm shooting to protect myself, I want him down NOW, and not 30 yards later.
 
TimSr: A 500 or 600 lb black bear is huge.

In Alaska a 300 lb black is huge. A 600 lb black is imaginary, or a mistaken ID on an inland grizzly. A 150 lb black is typical. I am aware of the occasional freakish bruiser in the lower 48. I think the record was over 800 lbs with a PA bear. My point is you don't need a gun big enough for TV bears. Most are like large dogs, and if you do run across a larger one, he probably got that way by staying very far away from humans.
 
A 44 will do fine. I carried one while I was in AK for fifteen years.Don't get carried away with hype which is common.
 
While I'd have had no qualms about taking this shot with the .44 mag, and have killed him just as dead, it doesn't handle bone nearly as well as the Casull, and I don't believe I would have had the exit wound, nor done nearly the damage all the way through caused him to drop so quickly. When I'm shooting to protect myself, I want him down NOW, and not 30 yards later.
This is a function of bullet selection. Use a crappy, old school 240gr JHP, the .44Mag will absolutely fall short. Use a good 300gr or heavier and terminal performance will be identical.
 
44 has lots of power. You will find far more bullet choices, or heck bullets at all. You will be far more likely to carry it all the time. You will probably be able to handle it easier and more accurately.

With LOTS if experience, id say go 454 or the like. Without, your 44 will be just fine!
 
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