"Heat" the movie

No, no relation to Bob (but I wanna be him when I grow up!)
Thanks for the info; very interesting and surprisingly complicated!




[This message has been edited by mickthenailer (edited August 08, 2000).]
 
I'm glad I noticed this post! I learned quite a bit about my favorite movie (since it came out.) I own it in VHS and DVD now, and anything else they come up with in the future, darn it! :-)
I didn't realize that Andy McNab had anything to do with this movie. It must be listed in the credits somewhere. That's great though, I've read some of his books and he has an interesting history.
Also, it was very interesting to hear about Al Pacino's dislike of firearms, Dinero's quick study (I hear he is like that), and Kilmer's good attitude.
Great stuff! Thanks,
EricO
 
the movie "Heat" is a fine film not only for the gunfights but also for the character study between Pacino and DeNiro. in the plot DeNiro is an isolated character. even though he works with a crew his motto is "Never have anything you can not walk away from in 60 seconds if you see the heat around the corner." Pacino is the "good guy" a social disaster, marrage on the skids, workaholic. he wants but can not ever reach those around him. he also longs to right the wrongs he sees around him. utimate attachments but in the end he abandons everything to catch the bad guys. thus the characters reverse roles.
in the conflict Deniro self destructs due to his attachment to a woman, greed and his desire for revenge. these are his attachments he can not release even though the "Heat", Pacino, is hot on his tail and he knows it.
both characters are fatally flawed but the real suspense is which one will make the fatal mistake and go down in a blaze.
the face to face meeting between the two characters in the coffe house is, perhaps one of the best good guy-bad guy dialogs in recent memory.
in the end Val Kilmer's character that was encumbered at first by the attachment to his wife and child is the one that gets away due to his ability to "leave in 60 seconds when you see the heat"
i think i will go watch it again!!


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"the face to face meeting between the two characters in the coffe house is, perhaps one of the best good guy-bad guy dialogs in recent memory."

Absolutely agreed! I remember telling the wife about the chemistry between them, in that particular scene, as we watched the movie for the second or third time. She just didn't quite 'get it'. I sure as heck enjoyed it though. Mus'ta been a guy thing.
 
Hueco: I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Pacino's rifle is a Korean Daewoo. Upper/gas system design borrowed from AK and lower almost identical to AR.

Am I the only one who ALWAYS finds myself rooting for the bad guys in films? It was easy in this film.. those guys were the $#!+
 
Both Get Shorty and Red Heat are cool movies. Of coarse they are not cool in the same way. Red Heat was funny, fast, and, fun! Geeze, sounding more like a magazine movie critic all the time. One of those things they quote on the movie poster. Anyway, good flick, like others have said, see it in surround sound.
 
I really liked Heat, and I generally like any movie with a lot of (correct) guns. (my wife hits me when we're at the movies and I grumble "wrong gun!") But how come almost no one in any movie hits anything without firing 2000 rounds of ammo (except Quigley!) Is everyone except the gun nuts I know (and me!) that bad a shot? Or is it just that more ammo = more excitement?

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Anyone seen "Sniper" will Tom Berenger and Billy Zane?

I thought that was one hell of a movie too, good gunfights, even if the scope-shot part was a bit unlikely.

Also, Clear and Present Danger had some really good gunfights in it, even though a few of them were a bit "off" in that guys with assualt rifles were missing things at 20 yards when they were firing in huge groups. Still, very cool.

Heat definitely is good though, the scene out on the street where the BGs are using suppressive fire is amazing. You notice that they are firing powerful weapons on full auto, and keeping them under control. They have the stances and all that right, and actually hit what they are aiming for. He shoots up the cars that the police are hiding behind rather than waiting for them to pop up, and he doesn't linger around for them after he pins them down. Very realistic. Also, when the BG has the child held hostage, watch the subtle cues that Pacino's character picks up, the position of the BG's gun, where his finger is on the trigger. If you watch closely there are some subtlties there that are just amazing, and Pacino's reaction of split second action is appropriate in the sense of what a very well trained officer in real life that saw those hints would do. I just love the play of the characters, the system of "honor" that the BGs have, their professionalism. The BGs in that movie typify the genious that can be found in the very most successful levels of organized crime gangs. They observe the cops, they carefully set bait out for them, etc. The things the BGs do in the movie are the sort of things real criminals would have to do, and do well, to achieve what they did. The police show all range of realism too, there are cops, like Pacino that know what to do and when to do it, and there are others that cower behind a car thinking that it will really protect them from that sort of weapons fire, and then don't fight back effectively. It shows the dynamics of police and BGs. The BGs bring another member into their ring, and when he screws up, they take him out later and try to put an end to him, try to clean up any loose ends and loose tongues. Very good movie.

I'd have to say one of my very favorite gunfights in a movie was the city scene in Full Metal Jacket, where a sniper with an AK-47(not much of a sniper weapon) was able to pin down and really freak out a squad of trained soldiers. I love how they threw the smoke, moved like real soldiers would, and even how they MG'd an empty building thinking it was where the sniper was. One of those scenes that really showed off how crazy and just all around stupid Vietnam could really get.

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