Heads up -- New VPC Study, Vest Buster: The .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum

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Violence Policy Center Warns Nation's Law Enforcement Officers of New
Handgun Threat to Police Body Armor

New VPC Study, Vest Buster: The .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum - The Gun

Industry's Latest Challenge to Law Enforcement Body Armor, Documents That

the 'Most Powerful Handgun in the World' Has Armor-Penetrating Power

That Can Pierce the Highest Level of Bullet-Resistant Patrol Vests


WASHINGTON, June 2 /PRNewswire/ -- The Violence Policy Center (VPC) today
released a new study, Vest Buster: The .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum -- The Gun
Industry's Latest Challenge to Law Enforcement Body Armor, warning that
standard ammunition fired by the recently introduced .500 Smith & Wesson
Magnum revolver, promoted as "the most powerful handgun in the world," can
penetrate the highest level of body armor worn by the nation's police while on
patrol.

Police body armor is designed to protect against handgun threats. The new
Smith & Wesson .500 Magnum revolver, however, develops a striking force
exceeding the power of many rifles. Only special external body armor,
designed for use by SWAT teams and other high-risk units, can withstand rifle
fire. The .500 Magnum thus brings a new level of handgun threat to the
nation's streets.

"This vest-busting 50-caliber handgun draws a bead on every law
enforcement officer in America," said Tom Diaz, VPC senior policy analyst and
study author. "It is unfortunately only the latest example of dangerously
reckless marketing by America's virtually unregulated gun industry." Diaz
further noted that the .500 Magnum handgun, first introduced in February 2003,
is already appearing at gun shows, notorious as sources of criminal gun
trafficking. In addition, he pointed out, at least one shoulder holster is
being sold for the Magnum revolver, thus making it easy for criminals to carry
the gun concealed.

For the report, the VPC analyzed information published by Smith & Wesson,
ballistics test data from the National Rifle Association's American Rifleman
magazine, and federal body armor standards established by the U.S. Department
of Justice. Vest Buster demonstrates that the power of the new .500 Smith &
Wesson Magnum round substantially exceeds the protection of the highest level
of concealable body armor normally worn by law enforcement officers in the
field, known as Type IIIA.

The .500 Magnum follows a Smith & Wesson tradition of designing extremely
powerful handguns. Vest Buster points out that 27 out of 144 (nearly one out
of every five) law enforcement officers slain with a handgun from 1998 through
2000 were killed with one of three types of handgun and cartridge combinations
originally designed and introduced by Smith & Wesson: the .357 Magnum, the
.44 Magnum, and the .40 S&W.

The Violence Policy Center is a national educational organization working
to stop gun death and injury in America. For a copy of Vest Buster, please
visit http://www.vpc.org.

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If this would fit better in the General Handgun forum, someone please move it.
 
I discern from the tortured logic in this article, that a new lawsuit is planned against Smith and Wesson, in the near future. Laying groundwork. Look for other "research pieces" that feature Smith and Wesson corporate name, various criminal statistics...
 
Reminds me of the rubbish surrounding the old KTW bullet.

The antis always give a graduate level education on how to kill cops. Have any police officers been murdered with one of these things?

If any are, the blood is on the hands of VPC.

Anyone else wondering why just S&W? There are plenty of other rounds/manufacturers producing the same result. Why just S&W? Because they have shown cowardice before?
 
In addition, he pointed out, at least one shoulder holster is
being sold for the Magnum revolver, thus making it easy for criminals to carry
the gun concealed.
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Have they actually seen that monstrosity? I think it is heavier than the new polymer Carbon 15 rifle from Bushmaster. I'm also betting that anything you can conceal that revolver under would easily conceal a rifle or something bigger as well.

Just more BS to mislead the ignorant really... probably for the purposes of a lawsuit.
 
It's been my experience that VPC puts out nothing but outright lies and half-truths. Has since it's inception.

What's one more on top of the pile?

Of course, this garbage will be parroted by some in the media without even 30 seconds of fact checking......
 
'Cause everyone knows that thugs are gonna run and buy an $800+, four pound handgun that shoots ammo that costs $2 per round just so they can do what most any .22 Mag or 7.62x25 pistol has been able to do all along. :rolleyes:
 
'Cause everyone knows that thugs are gonna run and buy an $800+, four pound handgun that shoots ammo that costs $2 per round just so they can do what most any .22 Mag or 7.62x25 pistol has been able to do all along.
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Well of course they will. They need one to go with their $2000 .50 Barrett and $1500 full-automatic assualt weapon that, thanks to the ending of the AWB, they will be able to buy at K-Mart :barf:
 
quotes:

"The Gun
Industry's Latest Challenge to Law Enforcement Body Armor,"

so according to this article the gun industry bases their designs of weapons on what will help criminals kill cops hmmmmmm...... I think not


quote:
"is already appearing at gun shows, notorious as sources of criminal gun
trafficking."

ah I see the VPC is still lying as often as possible about gun shows....

quote:

" "It is unfortunately only the latest example of dangerously
reckless marketing by America's virtually unregulated gun industry." Diaz
further noted "

unregulated hahahahahahahahahaha yeah right


quote:
" Vest Buster points out that 27 out of 144 (nearly one out
of every five) law enforcement officers slain with a handgun from 1998 through
2000 were killed with one of three types of handgun and cartridge combinations
originally designed and introduced by Smith & Wesson: the .357 Magnum, the
.44 Magnum, and the .40 S&W. "


what do the LEO's carry?
approximatley 1in 10 {from my own research} leo's are shot with their own gun hmmmm they wouldn't carry a .40s&W would they?



and the last most blatan lie of the article

"The Violence Policy Center is a national educational organization working
to stop gun death and injury in America"



and last but not least a question How do you put things in the quote boxes???? lol
 
I've shot one.
Once. That was enough for me.

If I were to turn to a life of violent crime, this would be my LAST choice for a gun.

Too big to hide, too big to draw and shoot quickly, too much recoil to handle in a stressful situation, and there's virtually NONE on the streets right now. If you shoot somebody with one of these and the police can figure out what caliber the round is, it wouldn't take too long to track you down.

But according to the VPC, Johhny Robber is lining up at gun shops to buy them
 
Quote:

"In addition, he pointed out, at least one shoulder holster is
being sold for the Magnum revolver, thus making it easy for criminals to carry
the gun concealed."

Yeah, if Shaquille O'Neal decided to take up a life of crime. I'd like to see the average teen-aged thug try to conceal one of those.

I've shot one too. Although powerful, it hardly lives up to the silly hype the hysterical media has spewed out. Nonetheless, I agree with Spot77. This is hardly a street gun...
 
This vest-busting 50-caliber handgun draws a bead on every law enforcement officer in America
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One gun can draw a bead on every law enforcement officer in America—and without even any help from a criminal? Wow.
 
Vest Buster points out that 27 out of 144 (nearly one out
of every five) law enforcement officers slain with a handgun from 1998 through 2000 were killed with one of three types of handgun and cartridge combinations originally designed and introduced by Smith & Wesson: the .357 Magnum, the .44 Magnum, and the .40 S&W.
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Notice that it only gives a total number of officers killed -- and especially notice that at no time is the number of vest defeats out of that total number of officers is mentioned.

"27 officers out of 144 were killed with the .357, .44 or .40."

"How many of those 27 were due to penetrated vests?"

"Uhhh...ummm...27 out of 144 officers were killed with the .357, .44 or .40! Don't you care about the officers?!"

*snort*

Clumsy use of statistics to spin a position.

LawDog
 
What a bunch of bove feces.

Three things as stated before:

  • this gun is freaking huge and got a recoil the usual gang banger can't handle
  • haven't the Antis heard about the uber-evil 45-70 that would probably do in such a vest as well (remember - some core-bonded stuff is not really bad at penetration)
  • Can anybody tell me how much a 7.62x25mm costs on the street and what it does to normal pistol-caliber vests (answer: about the same)
  • The only risk I personally see is that if a LEO gets a head shot with this, a good kevlar helmet might fend off the 9mm, but the impact from this will snap his/her neck. OTOH, a shotgun can do this as well, as of course a 45-70 can).

That idea is looking like lawyer food to me.
 
Ditto the gun show comments. Has anybody from the VPC actually been to a gun show?

As for the 27 out of 144 officers killed, why not put in the actual truth. The .44 Magnum was put in just for show. Out of those 144 killed, how many were actually from a .44 Magnum? I'm guessing zero, definitely in the single digits. And it was not designed by S&W, so they had to put in the introduced part.
The .357 Magnum is a very old and popular cartridge, which just means that it is common. Criminals use what is stolen. Percentage wise, that means what is common.
The .40 S&W is becoming more common, see above.
How many of those officers would have been killed if the remaining cartridges were used?

Silly drivel.
 
The new Smith & Wesson .500 Magnum revolver, however, develops a striking force exceeding the power of many rifles.
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It also weighs more than many rifles. The performance center version of the .500 comes with a sling for a reason. If this passes outlawing deer guns is right around the corner.
 
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