HCI opposes Ashcroft for Attorney General

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Handgun Control Opposes the Nomination of John Ashcroft

Constitution/Conservatism Front Page News Keywords: GUN CONTROL, SECOND AMENDMENT, HCI
Source: Handgun Control, Inc, Press Release
Published: January 5, 2001 Author: HCI
Posted on 01/08/2001 11:32:32 PST by annie oakley
Serious Doubts Raised About Ashcroft's Commitment to Defending Our Gun Laws

Handgun Control, the nation's leading gun violence prevention group, announced today that it strongly opposes the nomination of former Senator John Ashcroft for Attorney General of the United States. Ashcroft's record on the gun issue and his close ties to the gun lobby raise critical doubts about his willingness to defend and enforce federal gun laws.

Ashcroft is joined at the hip with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and other extreme pro-gun groups. In 1999, he supported an NRA-sponsored ballot initiative that would have allowed almost anyone -- including convicted child molesters and stalkers -- to carry concealed guns in public in Missouri. Ashcroft even recorded radio ads endorsing the proposal, which was rejected by Missouri voters.

During the 2000 election campaign, Ashcroft called former Reagan Press Secretary James Brady, "the leading enemy of responsible gun owners" in a fundraising letter. The NRA and other gun groups reportedly spent close to $400,000 on his unsuccessful bid for a second Senate term.

"John Ashcroft as Attorney General would be a case of the fox guarding the henhouse," said Michael Barnes, President of Handgun Control. "The Attorney General is this country's chief law enforcement officer, the primary person responsible for defending and enforcing our nation's gun laws in the courts. The NRA fought the Brady Law, it fought the Assault Weapons Ban and it continues to challenge sensible gun laws in the courts at every opportunity. How can we expect this man to safeguard these laws from attacks by groups to which he is so beholden?"

While in the Senate, Ashcroft voted against common-sense gun safety legislation 13 out of 13 times, including votes against closing the gun show loophole (a loophole that allows criminals and juveniles easy access to guns), against child safety locks, and against the ban on importation and sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines. In a June 1998 letter to Handgun Control Chair Sarah Brady, Ashcroft expressed his opposition to the federal assault weapons ban, calling the law "wrong-headed." In this same letter, he rejected the effectiveness of all gun laws -- a statement that calls into question his commitment to enforcing those laws as Attorney General.

The protection of the nation's gun laws against legal attack is of urgent concern. Despite the NRA's support of lawsuits against the Brady Law for three years, the statute remains on the books and has blocked gun sales to over 500,000 convicted felons and other prohibited buyers. Would John Ashcroft have fought the gun lobby for three years to protect the Brady Law?

Currently, sensible federal gun laws are at risk in several cases. In each case, the Justice Department has the primary responsibility to defend those laws. For example, · In United States v. Emerson, the NRA has filed a legal brief supporting the defense of a Texas doctor who threatened his estranged wife and daughter with a 9mm pistol. The NRA is fighting the doctor's indictment for possessing a gun while under a domestic violence restraining order, arguing that the federal law barring such possession violates the Second Amendment. The Justice Department is defending that statute in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. Will it continue to do so under Attorney General Ashcroft?

· The NRA launched a constitutional attack on the federal assault weapon ban, arguing that Congress did not have the power to enact it. The NRA's suit was dismissed by a Michigan federal judge and the case is now on appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. Can an Ashcroft Justice Department be counted on to vigorously defend this public safety law, which has stopped the gun industry from flooding our nation's streets with high-capacity military weapons?

· In Springfield Armory v. Buckles, the gun industry is challenging the Clinton Administration's decision to halt the importation of assault weapons that use high-capacity ammunition magazines because they are not used for sporting purposes. A federal judge upheld the import ban and the Justice Department is defending that ruling in the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. Will Attorney General Ashcroft be vigilant in protecting the public from foreign-made assault rifles?

Perhaps most disturbing about Ashcroft's record is his extremist view of the Second Amendment. In a 1998 Senate Subcommittee hearing on the Second Amendment called by Ashcroft, the Senator said, "A citizenry armed with the right both to possess firearms and to speak freely is less likely to fall victim to a tyrannical central government than a citizenry that is disarmed from criticizing government or defending themselves."

This and other statements by Ashcroft indicate that he believes in the "insurrectionist" theory of the Second Amendment -- a view championed by convicted mass-murderer Timothy McVeigh and the militia movement. This theory holds that the Constitution protects the rights of individuals to possess and use firearms so that the people can take up arms against the government if it becomes -- in the gun owner's view -- "tyrannical" or "despotic." The idea that the Founding Fathers would have included within the Second Amendment a "suicide" provision -- one that empowers citizens to overthrow the very government the Constitution seeks to create and protect -- is ludicrous and has been widely discredited. The idea that the chief law enforcement officer of the nation would subscribe to such a belief is alarming.(Emphasis mine)

"How can we expect someone who has shown such contempt for our gun laws to defend those same laws?" asked Barnes. "How can we expect someone who is so closely tied to special interest groups like the NRA to stand up to those same groups in court? John Ashcroft is the wrong man for the job. On behalf of all those who want to ensure our nation's gun laws are fully and rigorously protected and enforced, I urge the Senate to reject him."
 
"How can we expect someone who has shown such contempt for our gun laws to defend those same laws?" asked Barnes.
Exactly.

I wasn't a big fan of Ashcroft at first, but he's beginning to grow on me...

Later,
Chris
 
Sounds like Ashcroft is the man.

To hell with HCI. They support anyone who wants to destroy the 2nd amendment, the constitution, and in my views, veterans.

I'm tired of fighting them, burn them all.
 
After 8 years of Janet Reno, this guy says Ashcroft will be like "the fox guarding the henhouse".

:rolleyes:

gimme a break!

So, the AG must be a complete automaton, not having a personal opinion tha would be in contradiction to any law on the books? And what if a law changes or is revoked - we reprogram the AG ?!? Do we ask cops if they agree with EVERY law on the books ? A difference of opinion does not prevent someone from doing his job. That is the definition of a profesional, and Ashcroft has more integrity in his little finger than the entire "most ethical administration ever" that we have had for the last 8 yrs.
 
Never let the truth get in the way

"In United States v. Emerson, the NRA has filed a legal brief supporting the defense of a Texas doctor who threatened his estranged wife and daughter with a 9mm pistol. The NRA is fighting the doctor's indictment for possessing a gun while under a domestic violence restraining order, arguing that the federal law barring such possession violates the Second Amendment. The Justice Department is defending that statute in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. Will it continue to do so under Attorney General Ashcroft?"

Ahhhhhhh, my understanding is that Emerson's wife filed the restraining order for very little reason, other then it was easy for her to do. It is very easy to file one of those. He was not threataning his wife with his pistol, unless in your tiny mind owning a gun is the same as threataning someone with it.

We need to support Bush in this decision. Ashcroft is a friend to gun-owners everywhere. With any luck, he will be elected and put the most incompetant man he can find on the Emerson case. ;)
 
just enforcing the laws...

Isn't that the line the nazi's used? "Just enforcing the laws", "Just taking orders". Can the AG disagree with and refuse to enforce laws he deams damaging to the Constitution or does he have to "just do the job"?
 
Excuse me whilst I go thermonuclear.

This theory holds that the Constitution protects the rights of individuals to possess and use firearms so that the people can take up arms against the government if it becomes -- in the gun owner's view -- "tyrannical" or "despotic." The idea that the Founding Fathers would have included within the Second Amendment a "suicide" provision -- one that empowers citizens to overthrow the very government the Constitution seeks to create and protect -- is ludicrous and has been widely discredited.

Widely discredited? :mad:

Listen, you two-bit excuse for a vertebrate organism, who the hell ever gave you permission to bubble a thought through the disorganized slime you laughingly refer to as a brain? It's not a 'theory' or an 'idea', it's a proven fact, written in the Founding Fathers own words.

Here's a bit of a history lesson, you ignorant wretch: the Founding Fathers had just got done fighting a bloody and costly war against tyranny and despotism, it was called the Revolutionary War, and I'm sure you'll find it somewhere in your history books. Tyranny and despotism cost the Founding Fathers and this country dearly, in blood and pain and death.

Now, (I'm sure this is going to be a major leap in logic for your mono-synaptic little brain, but work with me here) do you think that with that war still fresh in their minds they would want to ensure that future generations wouldn't wind up having to fight against a home-grown despotic, tyrannical Government? Hmm? Do you think that maybe the wisest men in the life of our Country might realize that "Power corrupts"?

Of course they built a 'suicide provision' into the Constituition! Bloody DUH!

Jumping Judas priest on a flaming pogo stick. I know that expecting rational discourse from HCI is like trying to debate a pack of schizophrenic howler monkeys, but bloody hell.

:mad::barf:
LawDog
 
"How can we expect someone who is so closely tied to special interest groups like the NRA ..."

We've had eight years of Janet Reno and Clinton being joined at the hip to HCI. Make some calls to your senators, folks. Make sure that Ashcroft is confirmed. If our enemies are so outraged by this guy, he's got to be good! At the very least he understands the purpose and the original intent of the Second, something that most politicans seem to have forgotten.

Make the calls.

Dick
 
Okay guys and gals - just what did you expect from Head Case Injury? I wonder if that $$$$aire supporting them is doing it with tax-break money?

Man - what tripe! This wordsmith used an anvil on his head to beat those words into paragraphs - total garbage.

LawDog: These folks were probably (in another life) Torys - they stuck with King Georgie.

A few points:
The protection of the nation's gun laws against legal attack is of urgent concern.
Boy, ain't that the truth. The 2nd Amendment is darn well under attack ... it is THE nation's gun law, right?

While in the Senate, Ashcroft voted against common-sense gun safety legislation 13 out of 13 times...
Define "common sense", Jingo - right after "what 'is' is", huh?. Me?- Common sense is "Defend the nation - inside and out; others can wait." (among other things).

Currently, sensible federal gun laws are at risk in several cases...
I think I covered that up there ^. But if it's twisted to mean restrictive gun laws, I darn well hope they are at risk. BTW: where in the 2nd A or the Constitution main-frame does it provide for "federal gun laws" sensible or otherwise? I thought that that would have been a state function (if at all).

My nickel's worth.
 
Lawdog, you hit it on the head. I wrote a letter (as yet unsent) to Sarah Brady saying about the same thing.

But did you notice this part?

The idea that the Founding Fathers would have included within the Second Amendment a "suicide" provision -- one that empowers citizens to overthrow the very government the Constitution seeks to create and protect -- is ludicrous and has been widely discredited.

Now, IIRC, the Constitution was created to protect the PEOPLE not the government.

I have to tell you....I am so PO'd, I can hardly think straight today. Which is why I haven't sent the letter yet. I have to revise it a bit, and edit for....content. I've had all day to think about it, and every time I do, I get even more pi$$ed.

Those people have gone WAY over the line.
 
"Will Attorney General Ashcroft be vigilant in protecting the public from foreign-made assault rifles?"

When will it reach their little pea-brains that people want these rifles, and find them an enjoyment to shoot. If they don't like it move to England.
 
Quote : Handgun Control, the nation's leading gun violence prevention group,...

I would argue that the title of "leading gun violence prevention group" should should be awarded to the NRA in consideration of educational program sponsored and money spent on gun safety.

Lawdog - You da man!
 
Law Dog, next time don't spare the mustard....:)

p.s. Hey there's a post with a petion link to support Ashcroft, I've already signed.
 
"The protection of the nation's gun laws against legal attack is of urgent concern. Despite the NRA's support of lawsuits against the Brady Law for three years, the statute remains on the books and has blocked gun sales to over 500,000 convicted felons and other prohibited buyers. Would John Ashcroft have fought the gun lobby for three years to protect the Brady Law?"

HCI questions whether or not Ashcroft would uphold the laws he perhaps disagrees with, but they choose to ignore the current administration's non-prosecuting, non-activity of these 500,000 people who shouldn't be applying for firearms in the first place?

Who are these 500,000 and why are they still out there? Ms. Reno, we turn the question over to you.
 
Ashcroft seems like a good choice. Sure beats Reno. Maybe the Justice Dept. will look for real criminals instead of making law-abiding citizens into ones.

Sometimes change isn't so bad...
 
http://www.ashcroftandguns.com

HCI's web site, sprewing more lies. They have Emerson with a rifle now, and didn't the wife assault him.

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For example, in one pending case, United States v. Emerson, 46 F. Supp. 2d 598 (N.D.Tex. 1999), on appeal, No. 99-10331 (U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit), a Texas man was prosecuted for illegally possessing firearms after he threatened his estranged wife and young daughter with a semi-automatic pistol (and threatened to kill his wife's friends with an assault weapon), despite having had a domestic restraining order issued against him which barred him from possessing guns under federal law. The criminal defendant is arguing that the Second Amendment entitles him to possess his arsenal. The Justice Department is defending the statute that bars Emerson's possession of guns. Would an Ashcroft Justice Department have brought charges against this defendant? And could Ashcroft be expected to defend this important federal gun law against a Second Amendment attack?
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I think Dr. Emerson was charged with assaulting his wife or whatever, but he was never convicted. Either it was thrown out of court, or never got to court, or he was declared not guilty.

I might be very wrong on this point, I just seem recall reading it someplace in a gun-rights oriented publication.

However, if what I cited above is correct, then HCI lies about Dr. Emerson.

Senator Orrin Hatch was on TV the past week-end. Hatch is the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He mentioned that Ashcroft was Missouri Attorney General for two terms. He was Missouri Governor for two terms. He was president of both the national Attorneys General and Governors associations. He was also a US Senator.

Hatch said that of 67 US Attorney generals that have served, only six had SOME of Ashcroft's credentials.
 
Portion of an Emerson transcript:
http://www.calnra.org/emerson/emerson.pdf

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During the hearing, Mrs. Emerson alleged that her husband threatened over the telephone
to kill the man with whom Mrs. Emerson had been having an adulterous affair. However, no
evidence was adduced concerning any acts of violence or threatened violence by Mr. Emerson
against any member of his family, and the district court made no findings to that effect.
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SO do tge MMM'ers, folks

they are lauching an all out attack on him..... I hope everyone here has taken the time to let your Federal Elected servants know that gunowners support Ashcroft
 
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