Hawken or Kentucky-more accurate?

If I removed the decoration , which is a mix of European influence . It would be a Kentucky as defined by Dillon in his writings .
Your will also find the J Baum rifle in shumways rifles of colonial America

One of the issues we face though is that often people say Kentucky and Pennsylvania as one and the same . They in fact are not. What makes them different is the different schools of the time .
Different makers to include the Hawkens brothers rifles , can be traced to those original schools .
Take the Hawkens Brothers . They were simply makers NOT a school unique in and of itself .
Their line IMO comes from Bedford county as do many other makers . that’s why so many of these ½ stocks look the same .
At the same time , this style of rifle can be traced even earlier in the European sporting rifles .

So our long rifles evolved from those original schools . Hence earlier long rifles have a more flat butt , which facilitated shooting from the shoulder . Later rifles often carry the cresant butt plates which is meant to be shot from the arm / off the shoulder. Many things changed . but it is accepted that a Kentucky rifle is really nothing more then a generic term for long full stock rifle with no concern for given schools .
Kinda like someone saying ; I have a Trade gun .
To wich we would have to say ; Cool what type of trade guns . Is it a NW gun , an early English , ,is it a type G , type D ………..
All are still trade guns . But all are different
 
whether it is or it isn't, you guys do phenomenal work! I always enjoy seeing your craftsmanship. I wish I had just a smidgen of ya'lls talent!
 
depends on which one . there is If i recall 3 or 4 know to still exist
only one is of more southern design . the other two , of the top of my head , are early Lancaster style rifles .
then there is a 1/2 stock if i recall correctly
 
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To get a little off topic, there's also the Tennessee rifle, which looks like a Kentucky done all in iron. I've seen a few originals around this area and several copies. Some have pewter sideplates, but most are iron all around and some are quite ornate, while many were plain and functional. Very few had nose caps, the ones that did had pewter. I've seen both flint and percussion models. Besides the noted masters of the time, there were many back yard gun makers that made from functional to ornate rifles. Living in Ky I thought I'd be Ky rifle heaven, but most that I've seen have been in museums in other states.:mad::o
 
im sorry i was in a hurry this morning .
i dont know that we actually know what rifle Crockett had at the Alamo .

we do know that the rifle attributed to be his first rifle was a Dickert rifle
it was at one time in the Tennessee state museum
 
Crockett's first rifle is at the East Tennessee Historical Society Museum in Knoxville
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Thanks Gary i thought it was in Tennessee somewhere . do you know if they ever did make that rifle the state rifle ? i know there was some talk of it for a while
 
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