Have any states approved "bringing your gun to work"?

Maybe its just me...

But I think what you keep securely locked in your car at work is no business of your employer.

I also think the contents of your bladder are even less of a concern.
The only way I can even consider the validity of that check is if you cause an accident. (Not to say I haven't gone thru the indiginity of peeing into little cups to get a job. I just mean I dont like it and feel its illegal search and seizure without probable cause, and contrary to the beliefs of the founders of our country!)
 
Re:ccwinfl

A business owner's parking area is of his concern. If a worker trips and breaks a leg in the parking lot guess who gets the worker's comp ding. If an employee, parked on company property, somehow has a kid take a gun out of his car and causes harm, guess who the lawyers are going after. Have you ever heard of "deep pockets"?
 
the lawyers can try to go after the workers comp all they want in that scenario. but the insurance company can fall back to the actual policy and put that up as a defense. policies are clearly defined, in language anyone who graduated high school can decipher. the coverages and exclusions are not that vague.
 
Re:eghad

The link you posted is about a propossed change in Texas' law. That means that currently the law makes parking lots subject to the whims of the property owner. Here in California, no such changes in our laws are under consideration.
 
roy reali

I have to admit, I got a chuckle out of your premise in post 17. While I DO understand what you were getting at, per your last statement in the post, the thought of the Peoples Republik getting down on an employer for firing someone who is carrying, and supporting a gunowners right TO carry, is, well a little far fetched. You know thats not happening here!
 
I'm kind of a fan of don't as don't tell. There's a sign on all the entrances at my company prohibiting handguns anywhere on the property. Not at my facility but there have been some incidents in the past with pissed off employees. I work for a company that has a habit of treating people poorly. I'm trying to leave but that's a different story. I don't discuss my gun views at work. I generally don't discuss guns at all outside of my close circle of family and friends.

In Georgia it is pretty easy to prohibt guns on private property. Our laws allow property owners (businesses) to preempt state laws on carrying/posession in vehicles ect.

I keep what I do to myself. If there ever was a situation I needed it because I was in fear for my life I wouldn't worry about a company policy. There are no specific statues her on what the penalty is if you violate a private property owner's policy. I doubt it would be much if anything. It's only a misdemenor if your're caught in one of the places outlined in the state law (bars, government buildings, ect). I've gone to the courthouse many times with my gun and just declared and surrendered it upon entry even though there is no policy allowing private citizens to do so and I've never had any issues.
 
Re:atlctyslkr

You say that in Georgia it is pretty easy for someone to prohibit guns on their private property. You make it sound like it should not be. I think it should be.

Do you suppose the attitude of some folks here in regards to private property rights is not doing the shooting community any good? If a business owners wants to ban guns on his premise, that is their business. I believe trying to force this issue does not put us in the best light. We shout and scream about our Second Ammendment rights. What about folks' rights to private property?
 
weapons at work

Ohio doesn't prohibit carrying to the work place ,they left it up to the employer ,unless it's a school,bar ,gov't building etc.My employee handbook says "no dangerous weapons",my employer bought rifles for us a Christmas gifts and stored one in a closet in the office.
 
Intent

Roy, I think you have either misunderstood or misrepresented the concept. The issue, as I see it, is, should a citizen be able to "keep and BEAR arms" or not. If anyone or anything prevents that then it is contary to the intent.

Sure, there are already "compromises" in this matter: sure the rights of a property owner and the rights of individuals may clash and require some determination on who prevails; sure employers have a right to formulate policies but there are "reasonable" limits imposed by individual rights.

Your company may wish to hire only those people who are "young and healthy". They may not, however, do that by policy. You may wish to only hire blondes but you may not do so as a matter of policy.

The issue is, and the one it appears that most firearms owners support, is can an employer prevent an individual from having the ability to defend themselves against an attack WHILE ON THE WAY TO OR FROM WORK? Can a company keep you from having a firearm in your vehicle (which is usually viewed as an extension of your home) simply because you park on a lot that is part of the company property?

If you will read the case that actually put this whole idea into motion (the company was Weyerhaeuser) you might better understand the issues involved.

To me it is not a matter of favoring "more government control" but one of favoring more personal freedom and guaranteeing that freedom is the legitimate duty of the government.

That is my thinking, but, of course, not living in California, I probably don't understand your thinking.
John
NORTH CAROLINA
 
Here's a Policy Statement from Minnesota Concealed Carry Reform, NOW!, the group that got the CCW law enacted (twice):

An employer may not fire or otherwise discipline an employee
merely for possessing a firearm in a privately owned vehicle
parked in a parking lot or parking facility in Minnesota.

Minnesota Statutes, Section 624.714, Subdivision 18, (2003) provides:

"(c) notwithstanding paragraphs (a) and (b), an employer ...
may not prohibit the lawful carry or possession of firearms in a
parking facility or parking area."

http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/...24.714&image.x=19&image.y=4&image=Get+Section

An employer can take no action whatsoever against an employee who possesses a firearm in their privately owned vehicle in a company parking lot because the company may not prohibit that activity. They can't discipline or fire you for this conduct. Employment sanctions are expressly authorized only for violations of paragraph (a). That express authorization prevents reading an implied authorization into another paragraph of the same subdivision. The "notwithstanding" language makes this clear.

For the benefit of company lawyers, paragraph (c) says "firearms" not just "pistols". It covers all types of guns.
 
Question.....

If you have a firearm in your vehicle parked on your employer's parking lot, unless you're an idiot and tell and show it off to others, how would anyone, such as your boss, even know you have a firearm in your vehicle?

I don't know of any companies, except perhaps more high profile government run agencies and that have random or even planned vehicle searches.

What's the worst case scenerio even if you play it smart? That you get off work one day, need to use the firearm in your vehicle to defend yourself with and the word gets out to your employer that you had used a firearm that you keep in your vehicle while at work and your employer can either understand and let it go or if your employer decides to fire you then it's better to be fired from your job than not of been able to protect your own life with a firearm.
 
Coupla thoughts ...

Not everbody has the option of parking off of company property. For a large number of the companies I go to there is no nearby non-company parking.

Personal poperty ... I'm a strong believer in personal property, but an open-to-the-public parking lot is a little different. i.e. I have a sidewalk running in front of my house next to the road. That sidewalk IS on my property, but does that mean I have a right to put "no weapons allowed" signs at each end of my property line, keeping legal weapons carriers off? Can I tear that sidewalk out if I want to? The answer to either question is "no."

Even though the sidewalk is on my property, it's a public "easement" and I can't remove and have to maintain it (shovel snow, etc.) as though it's public property. I can't restrict access to it and if I fence in my front lawn the fence has to leave the sidewalk open.

I realize that a parking lot isn't officially an easement, but since most companies don't post "no guns" signs at the entrance to their parking lot, that means visitors who haven't read the employee manual can bring weapons there but employees can't.

Of course ... the same holds true for inside a building. If the employees have an employee manual that says "no weapons," but I'm just in visiting and haven't been exposed to that manual -- I have no reason to think guns aren't allowed there.

In terms of vehicle searches -- this law furor started because of a situation in Oklahoma where an employer did just that. And if your cars on company property, I'm guessing you can either comply or be fired. Even if your company doesn't normally do searches.
 
Florida, There was a editorial in our county news paper. It went something like this. Minnie gets off work at Disney and Tigger come up and tries to get some from Minnie and Minnie shoots Tigger. After talking to police, she goes home, goes to bed, get up and goes to work and finds a pink slip, there is nothing she can do. It all depends on work place policy on guns at the work place. Disney says no firearms AT THIS TIME. I guess the "Shoot first Law" does not help at the work place from getting fired.
 
Minnesota led the way in this. The 2003 Personal Protection Act specifically prevented anybody from interfering with the right to have firearms in parking lots and ramps, except for Federal ones, and for pre-K through 12 schools.

(I'm bragging, sure, but not about me -- thank David Gross, Joe Olson, and Lynda Boudreau, who were responsible for that language.)
 
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