Hatfields and McCoys, cap and ball,
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Might look like pretty country to a Texan, but that is definitely NOT the West Virginia I grew up in!
Terrain was absolutely wrong.......try to find a FLAT area in Logan or Mingo Co's as was depicted in the Grapvine battle for just one instance.......then too where in hell was the rhododendron, the spruce and the tight, dark hollows.
Guns......probably a fair representation of the era......tho the photo's I've seen of that tribe had some interesting and seldom seen models.
Theme music..........nothing special there.
Overall, despite the lack of authenticity in setting (didja notice there were NO McClellan saddles at all!) it was watchable & a bit better that some other attempts.......Still, it falls way short of Matewan and even that had it's faults.
Just being an overly critical long gone Hillbilly, I guess.
And I neglected to add that ANY self respecting appalachian type would have a REAL hound......be it a bluetic, redbone, or black and tan. That fuzzy potlicker shown damn sure wasn't.
Hey Starbuck.......you remember turning over those outhouses on Halloween?
Terrain was absolutely wrong.......try to find a FLAT area in Logan or Mingo Co's as was depicted in the Grapvine battle for just one instance.......then too where in hell was the rhododendron, the spruce and the tight, dark hollows.
Guns......probably a fair representation of the era......tho the photo's I've seen of that tribe had some interesting and seldom seen models.
Theme music..........nothing special there.
Overall, despite the lack of authenticity in setting (didja notice there were NO McClellan saddles at all!) it was watchable & a bit better that some other attempts.......Still, it falls way short of Matewan and even that had it's faults.
Just being an overly critical long gone Hillbilly, I guess.
And I neglected to add that ANY self respecting appalachian type would have a REAL hound......be it a bluetic, redbone, or black and tan. That fuzzy potlicker shown damn sure wasn't.
Hey Starbuck.......you remember turning over those outhouses on Halloween?
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m&p45acp10+1
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From what I heard from grampa, (he was a trick shooter with a wild west show a young 'un.) and a lot of the way old timers. Black powder cap and ball pistols were still used by a lot of people. They still worked. Also many were sold used for little more than a song. Though most times the folks in the hills were gonna spend their money on a gun it was usual for them to buy either a shot gun, or a rifle. If they were buying a pistol it was most likely the cheapest one they could find. Usualy the cheapest were the cap and ball revolvers.
the old gringo
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cap and ball
rember in the day a box of 44-40 was not on every stores shelf where black powder and tins of caps were available in most general stores plus the old remmingtons and colts were darn accurate coupled with paper nitrate catridge they were not that much slower to load also my grandfather still used hes grandfathers springfield 58 caliber rifle to kill possums in the chicken coup in the 1960's ( if it aint broke dont fix it )
rember in the day a box of 44-40 was not on every stores shelf where black powder and tins of caps were available in most general stores plus the old remmingtons and colts were darn accurate coupled with paper nitrate catridge they were not that much slower to load also my grandfather still used hes grandfathers springfield 58 caliber rifle to kill possums in the chicken coup in the 1960's ( if it aint broke dont fix it )
In a picture of the real Hatfield's there's no C&B's present. There's Colt Peacemakers, S&W Schofields and Winchester Rifles. There's a pic of Devil Anse with a 93 or 97 Winchester pump. I clipped these from the vid.
http://youtu.be/CCwe61LzjgI
http://youtu.be/CCwe61LzjgI
darkroommike
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quoting myself "rifles are utilitarian but pistols are made only for killing"
I guess that I should have been more explicit, handguns were not used for hunting, handguns were rarely used when there was a fox or other predator in the chickens, handguns are only used to kill people. I guess I was making the distinction between hunting and murder (something my kin had trouble with).
That's why I was amazed at the preponderance of pistols in the few photos of that era, I can only surmise that many of these pistols were take homes from service during the Civil War.
Note also there is the Kentucky vs. West Virginia border there was a great deal of rancor in this area before and after the Civil War.
Someone above also mentioned miners and private detectives, another Hatfield was in the middle of that dustup as well. That would be Sid Hatfield and the Matewan Massecre. He was related to the feuding Hatfield's, some sort of cousin.
I guess that I should have been more explicit, handguns were not used for hunting, handguns were rarely used when there was a fox or other predator in the chickens, handguns are only used to kill people. I guess I was making the distinction between hunting and murder (something my kin had trouble with).
That's why I was amazed at the preponderance of pistols in the few photos of that era, I can only surmise that many of these pistols were take homes from service during the Civil War.
Note also there is the Kentucky vs. West Virginia border there was a great deal of rancor in this area before and after the Civil War.
Someone above also mentioned miners and private detectives, another Hatfield was in the middle of that dustup as well. That would be Sid Hatfield and the Matewan Massecre. He was related to the feuding Hatfield's, some sort of cousin.
Sure Shot Mc Gee
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Hawg Haggen's Hatfield photo's
Hatfield photo's commenting on: Looks like the logging and lumber milling business was more than successful for the Hatfield family. All posing with pretty up to date spendy weaponry. No doubt as weapons and there ammunition improved thru the feud years so did Hatfields. Is there a hidden lesson to be learned from those years? other than don't steal your neighbors livestock and then parade it back in front of him or make a quip in bad taste about one's family pet to a stern-looking fellow bigger in stature than yourself. It leads me to believe there wasn't any thought given to being Political Correct during that time in history for those who lived outside the boundaries of the privileged few. Yup again I was born 150 yrs. to late and missed the party when at a time in History. Men behaved like men with morals and little scruples. Women did what they had too in order to stay alive and thrive. Did C/B weapons go on being used way after the Civial War was over. I suppose so according to what some here have written. I'm sure they still served a purpose for many well into the 20th century.
Hatfield photo's commenting on: Looks like the logging and lumber milling business was more than successful for the Hatfield family. All posing with pretty up to date spendy weaponry. No doubt as weapons and there ammunition improved thru the feud years so did Hatfields. Is there a hidden lesson to be learned from those years? other than don't steal your neighbors livestock and then parade it back in front of him or make a quip in bad taste about one's family pet to a stern-looking fellow bigger in stature than yourself. It leads me to believe there wasn't any thought given to being Political Correct during that time in history for those who lived outside the boundaries of the privileged few. Yup again I was born 150 yrs. to late and missed the party when at a time in History. Men behaved like men with morals and little scruples. Women did what they had too in order to stay alive and thrive. Did C/B weapons go on being used way after the Civial War was over. I suppose so according to what some here have written. I'm sure they still served a purpose for many well into the 20th century.
Of course not. Political correctness didn't come about in the modern sense until the 70's.
More pics. http://www.wvculture.org/viewer.aspx?GalleryId=43
hatfield's and McCoys
HAWG, you mentioned "Dances with Wolves" inconsistency regarding Henry rifle. I agree that when he shot that buffalo at God knows how many yards, it just dropped dead. A 214 grain bullet with a muzzle velocity of about 1,000 fps isn't going to stop a charging buffalo. And remember "Lonesome Dove" when Robert Duvall flipped up the sight on his Henry and shot a guy that I expect was suppose to 200 or 300 yards away. Another great early gun movie! But again, Hollywood took some liberties.
HAWG, you mentioned "Dances with Wolves" inconsistency regarding Henry rifle. I agree that when he shot that buffalo at God knows how many yards, it just dropped dead. A 214 grain bullet with a muzzle velocity of about 1,000 fps isn't going to stop a charging buffalo. And remember "Lonesome Dove" when Robert Duvall flipped up the sight on his Henry and shot a guy that I expect was suppose to 200 or 300 yards away. Another great early gun movie! But again, Hollywood took some liberties.
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OutlawJoseyWales
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Hey Buckhorn, stop it right now...you are messin' up one of my favorite Lonesome Dove scenes. For goodness sake, it "could" have happened. 
Like, I "could" be young tall dark and handsome instead of...
But that shootin' the Buffalo with a Henry in "Dances..", that was just too much. Like I said, movies are supposed to make you feel suspended in time, not suspended in "stupid."
Like, I "could" be young tall dark and handsome instead of...
But that shootin' the Buffalo with a Henry in "Dances..", that was just too much. Like I said, movies are supposed to make you feel suspended in time, not suspended in "stupid."
Sure Shot Mc Gee
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Hawg Haggen
I know better Sir. But I just wanted to do some fish'in to see just who was paying attention. You Sir are always on the Ball down there. "Hard to out slick'er you Hawg. But given another chance you can bet I'll give'er another try.~~~soon you "Ol Bushwhacker ._