Has the revolution begun? I'd read this if I were you...

I would prefer being a "Defender" to a "resister". Sounds better, and is true...

The Constitution has been increasingly ravaged. The "War on Drugs" has only served to alienate further (otherwise) law-abiding citizens while lining select pockets through seizures, while making extensive inroads against all freedoms. Cry Havoc! I hear the dogs.
 
I should only live so long.

I can only hope that I'll see a Constitutional government restored to this country before I die; if so, I could go a happy man. If we are all VERY lucky, it will be bloodless, but I think every one of us would have a better chance of winning the lottery than seeing a tame revolution.

The author of the post posits many of the same ideas Vin Suprynowicz puts forth in his book "SEND IN THE WACO KILLERS." If you haven't read it yet, I highly suggest you do so.
DAL

P.S. Could someone point out to me the real victories in the War on Drugs, aka the War on Freedom? Isn't crack an unintended consequence of the Government crackdown (no pun intended) on other drugs? Hell, American involvement in Vietnam didn't even drag on this long.

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Reading "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal," by Ayn Rand, should be required of every politician and in every high school.
GOA, JPFO, PPFC, CSSA, LP, NRA

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DAL:

I can only hope that I'll see a Constitutional government restored to this country before I die; if so, I could go a happy man.

P.S. Could someone point out to me the real victories in the War on Drugs, aka the War on Freedom? Isn't crack an unintended consequence of the Government crackdown (no pun intended) on other drugs? Hell, American involvement in Vietnam didn't even drag on this long.

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You and me both, brother, you and me both.

Because the media says we are winning and the Govt is increasing its power, 2 things that the war in SE Asia did not do.

The Rock
 
I recommend that TFL'ers visit this link and follow the thread for awhile... There is some hard hitting posts and some serious(about restoring liberty) posters.
A breath of fresh air after the tip-toeing and waffling (AKA: "the high road"?) seen here at TFL.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jordan:

A breath of fresh air after the tip-toeing and waffling (AKA: "the high road"?) seen here at TFL.[/quote]

I've bookmarked the link and will read it with interest.

I am irritated with your comments as they seem to be slighting the board. Not sure if you took the time to look at what this board has as a charter. I would suggest rereading it and see what you think.

I'll be happy to see what charter you come up with on your board. Just post a link here.

Giz
 
Yeah, it appears that there is cause, or reason, to subordinate the government as it stands today. To dismantle it, and start over, again.
We Americans are at a crossroads once again. We've allowed our "servants" to paint us into a corner. Generally that's a funny visualization to depict. Not so funny when it's your life, future, and Freedom being pinned down, and shackled.
On other boards, or discussion groups, I've offered the dialogue that we're indeed heading for a crisis. And I do mean CRISIS. Not the kind Klintoon casually refers to every time some mind control experiment (aka-senseless gun violence) is succesfull to the expansion of his agenda.
I believe it has already begun. It's being initiated by government actions, fueled by foreign interests. Interests that are quite sure that we Americans can, AND WILL USE FORCE to resist their attempts.
Thus the feverish attempts to a broad disarmament of the American patriot. We are the last, only hope this nation has left to recover the damages done.
It's been said many, many times that the 2nd is the guarantor of the BOR. How true it is. Does anyone here doubt we'd be allowed to utter our words, and coagulate our thoughts into viable alternatives, if not for our possesion of firearms.

Hell, my signature should attest to the validity of the substance of an armed populace. Histrory is again being rewritten.

Best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler

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Here in New York State they intend to turn me into a criminal. I don't even have a vehicular moving violation. I wonder if and when the time comes I will resist an obvious violation of the Constitution.

It is one thing to write on a board and talk about defending ones rights, it is another to do it. Would I be compelled to fight other Americans to defend my rights? How far am I willing to go to defend my rights?
I guess I'll know if I have the courage of my convictions when and if they pass laws making me a criminal.

Is it treasonous to fight for the 2nd Amendments preservation? Am I a subversive if I refuse to surrender my firearms?
I will not lie. I fear the power of the state. I fear death and prison.

I hearken back to these words:

"Is life so dear or liberty so cheap as to be puchased at the price of chains? I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death".

I hope I will find courage and resolve in them. I hope they will sustain me.

May God bless and defend the United States of America!
 
What will our (TFL) response be when (not if) one of our own is 'detained' by one of various local, state or federal agencies?
As we continue to grow and the 'gun laws' become even more numerous, it seems to be just a matter of time.
Who will it be?
Even in this day of wholesale 'unenforced' gun laws, incidents/accidents do happen.
Trumped-up charge or serious allegation.
Pick one.
Either one.

What are we going to do?
What can we do?

Every fire begins with a spark.
We need to think before REVOLUTION is yelled from the roof-tops...

Just my 1/2 cent worth.



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...defend the 2nd., it protects us all.
No fate but what we make...
 
Last night I came to a "sobriety checkpoint",
on the way home from shopping. I had nothing to worry about, having no more than cold medication in my system.

I waited for the officer to approach, with the full intention of asking him if he were aware that he was violating the Constitution he swore to uphold? (4th Amendment) At the last minute, aware that there was a high probability that a trumped-up charge would be levied against me, and after a long and exhausting week at work, I chickened out.

I know I would have been in the right, but that individual probably thought he was, too.
What is the breaking point?

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What do you want?
Freedom to live like we are.
Anything else?
Guns, so they can't take the freedom away!
I'll see what I can do-
And grenades, mortars, and mines, so they can't take the guns away!
 
I've wondered about this myself. When I was younger (stupid teenager) I even wondered how I would defend our house against attack. I didn't come up with anything good and even as a stupid and macho teenager I realized that I was really talking about "dying well" as a best-case scenario if it comes to fighting.
If such a thing happens, I don't expect to live long. If a TFL member were to come under the same kind of siege, I don't know what I'd do. I would think seriously about going to wherever it was, but that's all I can say for sure. Depressing.
 
Taking the High Road is a serious pain, Jordan. It means I can't personally attack you on TFL in good conscience.

That's what responsibility's about. :)



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Taking the high road is like turning the other cheek; it can only be done for so long.

Maybe Joe Schmo will wake up or realize that "maybe this does involve me" if many people all over the US/Canada/Britain/Australia/etc refuse to take the high road and get down and dirty.
 
It seems that some of us forget that taking the High Road is much like taking the High Ground, it is often not the easiest thing, and often not the most satisfying. It is however the most Defenseable place. And the best place to Start a battle from.

Let the press stay down in the mud for the time being, let the Gov stay there too. If we go down to fight them there all we get is dirty just like them.

As an Iowa Boy I can tell you that, getting into the slop to wresle a hog, is hard dirty work. What really bothers you tho' is that you come to realize the hog is Enjoying it.

Fight first from the Ballet box and the Soap box. Just remember that when its time to get into the cartrige box, the High road will keep your powder dry. :)
 
I could puke every time I hear a TFL member-- (I hold higher standard for TFL members than other citizens) suggest that we may be able to VOTE our way out of this. Fedthugs who monitor this board laugh their ass off and slap each other high-fives when they hear it.
What the Ballot Box Commandos (BBC) don't consider is that even IF voting and congressman pleading was viable (it isn't) it would take GENERATIONS to enact any appreciable change of course.
I don't have that long.
And the likelyhood that the next generation, who is being successfully programed against us every day, would carry on this sweeping campaign after we're gone is zero. So much for the "At least my children/grand-children will be able to enjoy the fruits" arguement.

TFL'ers: If you are SERIOUS about realizing any change then you will see that it is time to abandon the 'high road'. The enemy loves us there because we are impotent against him.
We are, by our nature, polite, law abiding types and it's getting us screwed.


A post script: The very minute you cast off the yoke and become active in the Resistance you are free. Do you see how that works? So now you're making a REAL difference chipping away at the structure and simultaneously beginning to enjoy the benefits of our Consititution. You don't need to wait for the next election... do it today.

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Just because I dont get to call you a freaking idiot because I dont agree with your logic doesnt mean "The Higher Road" is something bad. In fact - its a good thing... It keeps discussions from boiling over into mudslinging name calling arguments. Whats the point of insulting people on your side? What does that win you?
Talking about this stuff here is preaching to the choir anyways. Dont talk to us about this stuff - go talk to the guy that lives next to you - if you can do it with out slandering him or using curses or coming off sounding like the same kinda gun nut that HCI WANTS YOU TO SOUND LIKE.
Read the Agreement you accepted when you registered. If you cant handle that - thats your bad. TFL isnt for you.

You have no place to question the way we handle and protect our rights. You dont know us. Just because we dont vent venom on a website doesnt mean we dont take actions.
You have no concept of what can be done - effectively with out standing on a soapbox with a raised fist shouting profanity.
Once you wipe the spital off your chin, and conduct some rational discussions with anti-gunners you will see you have gained some ground rather than alienate yourself and the rest of the Gun Cunlture...
Dont rip on me (or other TFL members) if I (or other TFL members) dont want to come down on your level.
How many hours have you spent in the office of you representative TALKING about these issues? Have you Ever?
I have. I have spent several this year alone talking to several local polititians - and I made leaps and bounds of progress where your approach would be dismissed.
Not all gun owners need to be reactionary revolutionists to get things done.

Your a Troll. This is your one warning.
 
I don't see any infraction here, other than maybe the #4 "because we said so" rule. George, you're also assuming things about Jordan that you could not possibly know. Odd, I wouldn't even call this debate spirited.

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