Tennessee Gentleman
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Mr. Fish's warning shot cost him 3 years of his life, financial ruin and the death of another person. But, I guess it seemed a good idea at the time 

He fires warning shots at the dogs but kills Mr. Kuenzli?
Why would you do that?
This whole horrible incident is a good argument for carrying Bear Spray or at least pepper spray, when carrying a gun. A less-than-lethal, but still effective, defense tool.
Pepper spray is way more likely to be the right tool for most altercations, but when you need a gun, there's just no substitute.
NO,Mr Kuenzli's reaction charging Mr Fish cost Mr Kuenzli his life,the Judge not allowing the defense to properly show Mr. Kuenzli as the agressor cost him 3 years of his life.Mr. Fish's warning shot cost him 3 years of his life, financial ruin and the death of another person.
The judge's failure to clearly explain to the jury that NO physical contact is required by the aggressor/attacker to qualify for aggravated assault which is a sickness that warrants a lead aspirin via self defense response also played a large role in his guilty verdict...Judge not allowing the defense to properly show Mr. Kuenzli as the agressor cost him 3 years of his life.
mavracer said:I get that you are morally superior to Fish because you would rather be bit than fire your gun.
Another important point of note is that you also haven't recently been rushed by 2 vicious dogs and a raving lunatic yelling threats agianst your life...but the much more important difference between Mr. Fish and myself is that I am not 500K in debt to lawyers and have not lost three years of my life in prison in order to avoid a dog bite.
Alleykat said:It's pretty easy to second guess when all you have invested is a few taps on a keyboard. He did what he felt he had to do at the time.
hogdogs said:you also haven't recently been rushed by 2 vicious dogs
hogdogs said:NO physical contact is required by the aggressor/attacker to qualify for aggravated assault which is a sickness that warrants a lead aspirin via self defense
Could be there won't be a civil suit, and it could be that AZ law precludes such a civil suit; my State's laws prevent such suits.
hogdogs said:Live in a place where the attacker does not legally need an inanimate weapon to pose a threat to my health or life. I do not even need "disparity of force" as a legal justification for self defense up to and including lethal force.
I am not.. thus I used a layman's term "lunatic"... I think I read that these 2 same dogs were accused of similar behavior in the past...I didn't know you were a psychiatist
Once again you are 100% wrong!Well, it won't be here in the states but I was in a place like that for about 90 days once. They call it Somalia, lots of guns there!
I will take option #3... Live in a place where the attacker does not legally need an inanimate weapon to pose a threat to my health or life. I do not even need "disparity of force" as a legal justification for self defense up to and including lethal force.
hogdogs said:Read the florida law regarding self defense... No mention of disparity of force requirement!
hogdogs said:You are quite the curiosity!
But the appropriate action would have been to fend off the dogs with the walking stick...? This would have likely resulted in the same behavior from the deceased guy.Remember the dogs OWNER was not a threat until Fish reacted inappropriately to the dogs.
The only hindsight I get is the brutal reminder that the justice system is not perfect. While a minor dog bite or slap on the face is not great bodily harm... I am not willing to risk the remaining health i have betting that is all I have coming. The 2 dogs exhibited enuff aggression to warrant being shot. The verbal threat against my very being also warrants being stopped with force.We can call it hindsight all we want but the fact remains that getting bit by a dog is better than killing a man,
Nasty dog bite would have been in plural, thus great bodily harm...If Fish had not pulled and fired his weapon then it is EXCEEDINGLY likely that the worst that would have happened was a nasty dog bite.
Sue a homeless guy...Fish would be suing a very much alive Kuenzli
He already looked like a bad guy to many in the community if not just a physcho...who would look like the bad guy in all this (to everybody)