Hanoi Jane

Hello Art:

Understand what you are saying about the first Mrs. Turner. I know nothing about that nice lady, and was only directing my remarks towards Turner's poor taste in women like Hanoi Jane. She must be making a shrink a fortune with her guilt problems. Then... maybe rich people don't have any guilt problems. Not yet anyway.

Greetings to all Texacans...YEEEHAW!
 
At one point the government went after the draft dodgers. Why did the biggest one of them all never face any repercussions for his actions? You know the one I mean, he met with the head of the ROTC because his number was up and (gosh)lied and said he would be attending the university. Then in December he wrote the man to thank him for "saving him" because he was against the war and had organized protest groups against it. Why was he treated differently than others?
 
I was opposed to the war back then because I thought it was immoral to send our guys in with one hand tied behind their backs and with no committment by our government to actually win the war. Seeing Hanoi Jane on that anti-aircraft gun, though, made me sick.
The post by Bill in NM just reinforced that sick feeling 100-fold.

Dick
 
FWIW Congress did approve the Vietnam war with the Tonkin Bay Resolution.

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
I've heard that Jane Fonda has become a Christian. Has anyone heard anything about her repenting of her treason and apologizing to the Americans she helped get tortured in Hanoi?

No forgiveness without repentence.
 
The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was a sham. A few months after the congress approved of the Tonkin Gulf Resolution it was discovered that the resolution was written 2 whole months prior to the incident (when the two small gun boats attacted an american destroyer and were obliterated by whithering return fire. Johnson wanted us in that war, and was willing to do anything so that we could have a shiny black marble monument in D.C. with 58,000 names on it. Congress MUST declare war in order to have war. A resolution doesn't cut the constitutional mustard. The war powers act doesn't cut it either. If you are prepared to send thousands of sons, brothers, fathers, uncles and husbands to their deaths, congress had better be willing to put their own political careers on the line too. If not, I would encourage massive civil disobedience. The Vietnam and earlier generations were still holding the belief that the government is only doing what is good for the country. I really do believe that the men who went there did so because they felt it was their duty. God bless them for that. I hope that now because of their sacrifices, the population has learned the wisdom of the document written to guide this nation in 1789. There is a reason why they wanted the House of Reps to DECLARE WAR. Not to pass resolutions of encouragement, or other signals to the president to go ahead and piss on the constitution and do so with immunity from consequences or impeachment.
 
NOTING THAT THIS TOPIC WILL SPIN OUT OF CONTROL.... ;)

...I hereby move it to Legal and Political, where I feel it should reside. Enjoy!

--Long Path
 
The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was an attempt to legitimize a huge covert operation that had been goin on for over ten years by that time. A lot more names would be on that wall if the people who served there in the fifties and up to 64 were counted.

Pres Eisenhower said that he couldn't help the French in 54 because he had been elected on the "Peace" platform. Yet under his command there were a lot of Americans over there and in harms way.

I think the Fonda is scum but we had several presidents that caused the death of Americans without even acknowledging their existence.

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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
Postscript

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON JUNE 19 2000 20:40:22 ET XXXXX

JANE FONDA REGRETS: POSING WITH ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUN IN 'NAM WAS 'THE MOST HORRIBLE THING I COULD POSSIBLY HAVE DONE'

In the second edition of 'O', Oprah Winfrey's new magazine, Jane Fonda publicly admits regret for posing with an anti-aircraft gun in North Vietnam in 1972.

"It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done," Fonda tells the mag.

Fonda also talks about her recent turn to Christianity -- and defends her estranged husband Ted Turner who is on record as
saying, "Christianity is for losers."

"Ted has read the Bible cover to cover, twice. He can quote Scripture better than most preachers."

Fonda tells 'O' that she now attends many churches in the Atlanta area -- notably the Providence Missionary Baptist Church.

On the ending of her relationship with Ted:

"I changed probably more than he did, and we need to see what that means... Whatever happens in terms of our living arrangements, we will always be close."

Hitting newstands Tuesday.

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"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is power. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearsome master." George Washington
 
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