whippoorwill
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Does anyone know if this information is related to the officer after calling in a license plate? Or, does he/she have to call in the actual driver's license?
Handing my weapon to LEO(?)
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aarondhgraham
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I usually don't pick on specific wording,,,
But in this example I think it is pertinent.
I would never hand over my handgun to an LEO.
In fact my hands won't go anywhere near my handgun.
If an officer wants my handgun,,,
They can by gosh reach out and collect it.
I'll not hassle them or interfere in any way or fashion,,,
It's just that I've known way too many nervous cops in my day,,,
In 1995 a Riverside PD officer shot a man who reached for his wallet to get ID.
My ex was the dispatcher on duty that evening,,,
She played the tape for me where the cop asked to see ID.
When the man reached for his wallet the officer saw a large key ring,,,
Mistaking that for some sort of weapon he drew his weapon and fired 3 shots,,,
Fortunately for all people involved his "aim was no better than his judgement" and the man survived.
I have no over-riding hatred for LE in general,,,
But I don't trust them, their training, or their agenda.
If a cop wants my weapon he'll have to collect it,,,
I'm not going to move my hand for anything.
Aarond
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But in this example I think it is pertinent.
I would never hand over my handgun to an LEO.
In fact my hands won't go anywhere near my handgun.
If an officer wants my handgun,,,
They can by gosh reach out and collect it.
I'll not hassle them or interfere in any way or fashion,,,
It's just that I've known way too many nervous cops in my day,,,
In 1995 a Riverside PD officer shot a man who reached for his wallet to get ID.
My ex was the dispatcher on duty that evening,,,
She played the tape for me where the cop asked to see ID.
When the man reached for his wallet the officer saw a large key ring,,,
Mistaking that for some sort of weapon he drew his weapon and fired 3 shots,,,
Fortunately for all people involved his "aim was no better than his judgement" and the man survived.
I have no over-riding hatred for LE in general,,,
But I don't trust them, their training, or their agenda.
If a cop wants my weapon he'll have to collect it,,,
I'm not going to move my hand for anything.
Aarond
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Ok first off there is some great advice here.
I have a CWP(concealed weapon permit) in Florida. Here we are required to notify law enforcement in an official capacity.
I have only had to once. I was speeding. He had me dead to rites. I usually drive with my wallet in the cup holder anyway, so getting my license/permit is pretty easy.
Officer walks up, Lic,proof of insurance.
I hand him Drivers license and cwp on top of it.
Officer: is there a gun in the vehicle
me: yes its in the console in a zipped padded bag, yes it's loaded.
officer: leave it there
he ran my license, I was legit.
We sat an talked guns for 10 min
I got a warning for 67 in a 55.
In my considered opinion, when you hand them a cwp you are telling
them, I have taken the time to do it rite. I have trained, and tested
and respect the law. It's the way they have treated me, and its the way I treat them.
My dad was a deputy when I was in high school, and I learned a long time ago, they are people to that just want to go home safely. They are not the enemy, and if you generally treat them decent they return the favor.
I have a CWP(concealed weapon permit) in Florida. Here we are required to notify law enforcement in an official capacity.
I have only had to once. I was speeding. He had me dead to rites. I usually drive with my wallet in the cup holder anyway, so getting my license/permit is pretty easy.
Officer walks up, Lic,proof of insurance.
I hand him Drivers license and cwp on top of it.
Officer: is there a gun in the vehicle
me: yes its in the console in a zipped padded bag, yes it's loaded.
officer: leave it there
he ran my license, I was legit.
We sat an talked guns for 10 min
I got a warning for 67 in a 55.
In my considered opinion, when you hand them a cwp you are telling
them, I have taken the time to do it rite. I have trained, and tested
and respect the law. It's the way they have treated me, and its the way I treat them.
My dad was a deputy when I was in high school, and I learned a long time ago, they are people to that just want to go home safely. They are not the enemy, and if you generally treat them decent they return the favor.
Place my hands on the window sills 
stuck my hands to the outside of the car
place your hands on top of your head.
How come no one is recommending that we just jump from the truck and prostrate ourselves on the ground, before the LEO even has time to stop his vehicle?? After all, he is a figure of Authority!
stuck my hands to the outside of the car
place your hands on top of your head.
How come no one is recommending that we just jump from the truck and prostrate ourselves on the ground, before the LEO even has time to stop his vehicle?? After all, he is a figure of Authority!
Many good suggestions. Some are better than others:
Lights on in interior. I all ways liked that when I was making a stop.
Notify the Officer even if not required. Identify s the threat to the officer early in the encounter. Yes weapons are viewed as a threat.
Move Slow and deliberate no sudden or jerky moves. From Josey Wales "Slow as Lasses in Winter"
If the Officer is unsure, ask him/her how he wants to proceed. If you do not understand, ask for clarification.
If you have a recording device on you use it.
All ways remember, an encounter with a LEO is a LIFE or DEATH situation. If either of you screw up you will be in a world of hurt if not the locker.
Lights on in interior. I all ways liked that when I was making a stop.
Notify the Officer even if not required. Identify s the threat to the officer early in the encounter. Yes weapons are viewed as a threat.
Move Slow and deliberate no sudden or jerky moves. From Josey Wales "Slow as Lasses in Winter"
If the Officer is unsure, ask him/her how he wants to proceed. If you do not understand, ask for clarification.
If you have a recording device on you use it.
All ways remember, an encounter with a LEO is a LIFE or DEATH situation. If either of you screw up you will be in a world of hurt if not the locker.
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Handing a loaded firearm to an LEO who may not have the slightest idea how it works and has poor gunhandling skills (most cops fit in that category) and who believes it is imperative to immediately clear it is a life and death situation. How do you suppose the LEO would feel if you asked him to surrender HIS gun so you could unload it so you'll "feel safer"? This is complete insanity. If an officer feels that unsafe around every citzen he deals with he should find a new line of work. Maybe we should require every driver on the road to pull over and stop every time they see an officer on the side of the road because one of them might run over him. The safest way to deal with a loaded gun is to leave it where it is, not pull it out and fumble with it while swinging the muzzle around.
Spats McGee
Administrator
I've got all of my documents and other "necessaries" where I can reach them without having to dig around in poorly-lit areas of my car. I want to put the officer at ease as much as I can. I won't make any sudden moves, as I have no interest in startling a LEO who happens to pull me over.
I also do not like the idea of reaching for my pistol during a LE encounter, even if it is at the LEO's direction. Not one bit. If the officer feels the need for me to be disarmed for some reason, I'll hold very still. I'll put my hands on my head if necessary. I am not reaching for a weapon. If I have to, I'll tell the officer, "Sir, I am not comfortable with drawing my weapon in this situation. You are welcome to retrieve it, but I am not going to." Perhaps I'm overthinking this, but I'm not only concerned about the LEO on scene. I'm also concerned about any other officer that may roll up at a very, very inopportune moment, who might spy: (1) his buddy standing there with his gun in his holster while (2) I'm pulling a gun.
I also do not like the idea of reaching for my pistol during a LE encounter, even if it is at the LEO's direction. Not one bit. If the officer feels the need for me to be disarmed for some reason, I'll hold very still. I'll put my hands on my head if necessary. I am not reaching for a weapon. If I have to, I'll tell the officer, "Sir, I am not comfortable with drawing my weapon in this situation. You are welcome to retrieve it, but I am not going to." Perhaps I'm overthinking this, but I'm not only concerned about the LEO on scene. I'm also concerned about any other officer that may roll up at a very, very inopportune moment, who might spy: (1) his buddy standing there with his gun in his holster while (2) I'm pulling a gun.
No, we're not.
In other states I usually notify. Rarely has an officer asked to see it. Obviously don't reach for it- let them do what they want, but use a little common sense. I had one guy who tried to take a Glock 27 out of my pocket, with me still sitting in the car. I suggested stepping out of the car.
He said "I don't want your feet to get cold." I told him, "I don't mind cold toes as long as I still have ten when we're done."
Aguila Blanca
Staff
I find the statement and the attitude extremely offensive. I take it you are (or were) an LEO. Well, here's news, Officer: You are far more of a threat to me than I am to you. I am just me -- I don't have a bunch of laws and the "thin blue line" of brother officers to cover up for me if I shoot somebody who shouldn't be shot. I'm an NRA handgun instructor and I can generally handle pretty much any type of handgun safely -- there are a lot of police officers out there who aren't all that safe even with their own issued Glock, and who don't have a clue how anything besides their duty weapon operates.ltc444 said:
The only threat I pose to an officer is the "threat" that if he's a jackbooted thug who treads heavily on my rights in the course of what should be a routine and civilized encounter, I WILL file a complaint, and possibly a lawsuit. That doesn't strike me as a shooting matter, but YMMV.
I've been asked if the serial numbers on the rifle could be checked. At the same time I advised the officer that there was a loaded handgun in the car also. He only asked where it was located. I asked if he needed to run the serial numbers off of the pistol he stated he would find out what he needed to know with the rifle.
buckhorn_cortez
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I find some of the answers ....bizarre to say the least. Here's an idea, the LEO has a job, don't make it any more difficult than it needs to be. Try and get through it so that everybody has a nice day in the end. I've found that talking with the LEO and explaining what you need to do, in order to comply with their requests goes a long way in making their day as easy as possible.
For example, I keep the registration and insurance certificate in the glove compartment. In order to get to them, I have to get out of the truck, walk around to the passenger's side, open the glove box and get them out.
I explain to the officer what needs to be done, and then ask, "How do you want to do this?" I don't move, don't do anything until I find out exactly how they want to proceed - and then I retrieve them exactly as instructed.
Same if I'm carrying. When they walk up to the vehicle I have my hands on top of the steering wheel where they can be seen. I explain that I have a concealed carry permit and am carrying a gun and then ask, what they want to do next. Just keep them informed and follow instructions.
In the end, it will all work out fine - you just want to assure them there will not be any surprises. Be nice, keep them informed, follow instructions...it's not all that difficult.
For example, I keep the registration and insurance certificate in the glove compartment. In order to get to them, I have to get out of the truck, walk around to the passenger's side, open the glove box and get them out.
I explain to the officer what needs to be done, and then ask, "How do you want to do this?" I don't move, don't do anything until I find out exactly how they want to proceed - and then I retrieve them exactly as instructed.
Same if I'm carrying. When they walk up to the vehicle I have my hands on top of the steering wheel where they can be seen. I explain that I have a concealed carry permit and am carrying a gun and then ask, what they want to do next. Just keep them informed and follow instructions.
In the end, it will all work out fine - you just want to assure them there will not be any surprises. Be nice, keep them informed, follow instructions...it's not all that difficult.
Spats as all ways sound advice.
Aquilia Blanco. If you exhibit that attitude to a LEO, no matter how mild mannered or well meaning they are, they will turn into the "Jackbooted Thugs" you perceive them to be.
The object of the exercise is for everyone to go home. An exhibition of attitude or aggressive behavior toward an Officer will result in a greater level of scrutiny by the Officer. The contact will escalate and you will end up charged with POP (peed off the Poolice.)
buck horn good post
Aquilia Blanco. If you exhibit that attitude to a LEO, no matter how mild mannered or well meaning they are, they will turn into the "Jackbooted Thugs" you perceive them to be.
The object of the exercise is for everyone to go home. An exhibition of attitude or aggressive behavior toward an Officer will result in a greater level of scrutiny by the Officer. The contact will escalate and you will end up charged with POP (peed off the Poolice.)
buck horn good post
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Aguila Blanca
Staff
Why must the emphasis be on making life easy for the LEO? He/she is getting paid to stand there by the roadside and chat me up. Chances are, if I'm in a motor vehicle I'm not getting paid for my time they're taking up. What about the LEO not making the situation more difficult than it needs to be. If I have a carry permit, that already tells the LEO that I've been poked, prodded, investigated, suspecticated, fingerprinted, photographed, researched, background checked, foreground checked, and otherwise examined by THE POWERS THAT BE and given a clean bill of health. I am officially one of the certified good guys. I am not a threat to an LEO. Their threats are the gang bangers who DON'T bother with technicalities such as licenses and permits.buckhorn cortez said:
Step one, if the officer wants things to go smoothly, is to not make requests he/she has no authority to make. That alone would go a long way to ensuring that roadside interactions proceed more smoothly.
Microgunner
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I once experienced an "official interaction" with local law enforcement.
Th officer asked if I was carrying a firearm, I said yes, he said don't reach for it (which I wasn't), asked where it was, I told him, he removed the pistol and unloaded it, asked for my CCW permit and driver's license which I provided, handed back my unloaded pistol, loaded mag and loose round and sent me on my way asking me not to reload my pistol until I left the parking lot.
It was all very calm and civil.
Th officer asked if I was carrying a firearm, I said yes, he said don't reach for it (which I wasn't), asked where it was, I told him, he removed the pistol and unloaded it, asked for my CCW permit and driver's license which I provided, handed back my unloaded pistol, loaded mag and loose round and sent me on my way asking me not to reload my pistol until I left the parking lot.
It was all very calm and civil.
aarondhgraham
New member
My point is,,,
He doesn't have the authority to do that (at least not in my state),,,
He just assumes that authority because he can get away with it.
If I am licensed to carry a loaded weapon,,,
He can't tell me "not in this parking lot".
I am not anti-LE,,,
I just want them to obey the law too.
Aarond
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He doesn't have the authority to do that (at least not in my state),,,
He just assumes that authority because he can get away with it.
If I am licensed to carry a loaded weapon,,,
He can't tell me "not in this parking lot".
I am not anti-LE,,,
I just want them to obey the law too.
Aarond
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Microgunner
New member
aarondhgraham said:
LE doesn't have that authority here in Florida either.
The problem was that someone spotted my pistol at the Home Depot and called police and he was waiting for me at the exit.
I was happy he didn't charge me with violating the terms of my permit "concealed from ordinary view".
He was very polite and didn't offer a lecture.