Handgun tip that helped out my accuracy

I've tried the index finger on the trigger guard grip, but it seems to weaken my grip, not strengthen it. Almost every shot knocks my finger off the guard and I have to rebuild my grip.

The most secure grip is with the fist as closed as possible. What you have is a three fingered grip instead of four. Shooters with big hands can get away with it without compromising grip strength, but the rest of us can't.

However, not all pistols have a trigger guard that allows that method. I'm not a fan of having different grips for different pistols.

The thumbs up position (or modified form of it) works with all guns and provides the opposing pressure to steady the gun.

TIP: To execute reload, use the index and middle fingers of support hand to pull the trigger guard toward you just enough for strong hand thumb to operate mag. release.
 
Boy did you open a can of worms. What Ronto was explaining is a basic "Weaver" style grip that encompasses the equalized pressure from both hands that stabilizes your gun and helps to manage your arc of movement. We all have this to some degree and it cannot be eliminated, but it can be minimized. As I recall, I think I saw Bob Munden using a wrap around on the trigger guard on his revolvers, but never on his 1911. He can get away with it, if you've seen him shoot. Learn and stay with the basics, and if you do not know the basics, find someone that can help. After you feel comfortable with those, you can experiment. Good luck in advancing your skills, and I don't see anything wrong with you posting those targets either. If this is an advancement for you, good for you.
 
Here is an "off the wall" thought, Do what you are most comfortable with, if this method you have mentioned has shown improvement in your shooting then use this method.

I don't recall anyone being graded on thier grip, they are graded on target hits and group size (if anything).

A side note; Just about anyone that has seen me shoot a handgun has told me that I am doing it wrong, but I hit what I aim at, so what's the problem?
 
greyson97 said:
...for me, my hand wavers a lot,...
greyson97 said:
...I realized i dont have to hold the gun out as far as possible away from me, and when i bring the gun closer to me, i dont drift up and down as much...
These statements suggest to me that you would benefit from some good, hands on, in person instruction. There really is no substitute for a qualified instructor watching what you are doing and making suggestions and showing you options based on what you're doing.

The issues you describe are real issues, but you may not be approaching correcting them in the most efficient or effective way. Some good instruction may help you fix things for yourself in ways that don't create bad habits.

Nnobby45 said:
TIP: To execute reload, use the index and middle fingers of support hand to pull the trigger guard toward you just enough for strong hand thumb to operate mag. release.
Never saw that done before, and I don't think I'd try it that way. Nor would I teach that technique.

The problem is that, as you describe it, you can't be reaching with your support hand for the fresh magazine until you've already dropped the old magazine. That builds in a needless delay.

The schools I've been to teach dropping the magazine with your strong hand and, at the same time, reaching for the fresh magazine in your magazine pouch with your support hand. (However, one instructor recommends not actually dropping the magazine until your support hand is actually on the fresh magazine in your magazine pouch -- but that really doesn't affect overall time.) If one has trouble reaching the magazine release, he can learn to turn the gun slightly in his hand. This technique does take some training and practice, but with some practice reloads in 1 to 2 seconds are very doable.

claymore1500 said:
...I don't recall anyone being graded on thier grip, they are graded on target hits.....Just about anyone that has seen me shoot a handgun has told me that I am doing it wrong, but I hit what I aim at, so what's the problem?
A lot really depends on what you want out of shooting and where you want to go with it. If you're satisfied just plinking now and then, it may not matter much. But if you decide that you want to become truly proficient and do whatever circumstances might reasonably require you to do with a gun, and/or if you decide you might want to compete in IPSC or IDPA or Bullseye, having learned "the wrong way" will put you at a serious disadvantage.

It's really no more difficult to learn the "right way" than it is to learn the "wrong way." All it takes is some decent instruction and diligent practice, especially to break the bad habits you may have already formed. So why not learn the "right way"? It will stand you in much better stead throughout your shooting life.

Of course, there's no single "right way." There are a number of accepted approaches and techniques. But there are a whole lot of dead ends and blind alleys. As 45_Shooter said
45_Shooter said:
...there are methods that have proven advantages and there are methods which have little to offer...

And BTW, pax (on staff here) has lots of great basic material, including useful information on grip and stance, on her website: http://www.corneredcat.com/ . Even though she's focusing on a female audience, shooting is not gender specific. (My wife is a certified shotgun instructor.)
 
Well like anything.... I had to try it.

IT was ok, but hard to maintain that style grip on a quick draw or rapid fire.

I did also try the grip that Todd Jarrett teaches in the video someone posted earlier, and I tell you what.... that man is good.

I have been working very hard lately to become as proficient with my carry gun as possible and this simple change in grip has helped A LOT. I was able to sneak out to the range today and try it out after practicing dry fire and my groups have shrunk dramatically.

My first shot was not 1 cm away from the bulls eye at 20 paces. of course it was all luck butit was enough to conving me that that kind of shooting was possible.

By the end of my 200 rds I was shooting groups of 10 within 5 inches! This may not be good for some of the guys here but for me it's all I can ask out of my Sigma 9mm with it's 400lb trigger pull:D


long story short- try the grip that Todd Jarrett teaches!
 
greyson97 said:
I created a thread a while back
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=365263
which had a lot of helpful tips,....
I just went back and looked at that thread. Are you still gripping the gun very tightly?

Yes, I know that's Massad Ayoob's style and what he teaches. (I've taken his class and scored 294/300 on his qualification.) There are benefits to his technique, but it may not be right for you at this stage of your shooting development, and even Mas will tell you that it's an option that may not be the best choice for everyone.

Too tight a grip can induce too much shake. It can also impair trigger control. So try gripping your gun evenly, as Todd Jarrett suggests. Then tighten the grip until the gun starts to shake. The back off until the shaking stops. That should give you a firm and controllable grip, but be short of a "death" grip.
 
What about wheelies?

Grayson, good thoughts.

Don't try it with a revolver. That puts MY finger a little too close to the barrel-cylinder gap where hot gases (and, sometimes lead shavings) come out.

I can't really comment on the efficacy of the technique described, but kudos for thinking critically about how you shoot. Do be careful not to develop bad habits (thanks, olyinaz), but results are what count and if you figure out a grip technique not previously worked out, you may get to name it.

Lost Sheep.
 
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