handgun for the wife to use for home defense

usnavdoc

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So I am newly married and my wife has shown some interest in learning about guns and shooting. My job keeps me away at night several times a month and she would feel more comfortable knowing how to shoot.

That said she is a bit timid of a 12g and some of the handguns I own. I have been contemplating getting a .410 pump mossberg or a revolver for her to learn with. The best answer is for her to come to the range with me and get familiar with the guns I already own. But I just know she will be busy with work and wont do it too much.

I was wondering what others have opted for.
 
Number one a gun that fits her hand and doesn't have major recoil. Start her off with a 22 to get comfortable with shooting. Then work her up to a compact 9mm.
 
A revolver like a 4" or 6" S&W 686 or a Ruger GP in .357? You can of course start her off with .38 specials and see how she does from there. The simplicity and the weight of the revolver should make shooting pretty easy from there.
 
Mossberg youth .410 is what I recommended to my brother just the other day for his wife. Easy to use and its only 37.5" long.
 
For somebody who may not practice often - DAO pistol or revolver.
Kahr - Fits small hands well - small pistol but mild recoil for 9mm - minimal controls
.38 K-frame or J-Frame sized revolver - maybe ... but most females I have shot with do not like shooting revolvers (S&W 686, 586, 15, 14). Most complaints are: heavy trigger, trigger reach is too long, trigger pull is too long, and just not liking the grip style. All the women I have shot with did not like the 686/586 -- too big, too heavy.
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.22 is always a good starting point (ruger MK, browning buckmark, etc).
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Do not let her shoot a 1911 in 9mm --- you will be forced to get her one. I would consider this primarily as a range pistol. My 1911 9mm has pink grips for when my GF shoots.
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Any of the Kahr 9's... especially CW9; reliable economy middle-of-the-road starter... only 18 oz. but soft-shooting for a 9mm.
 
I just took mine to the pawn shop, let her decide what felt best in her hadn ond got it for her. Ended up bringin home a wlather pk380. And since the gun feals good in her hand and she got to pick it out she is alot more confident and comfortable when firing it. She loves shooting it and can shoot it very well.
 
Not sure where the sticky is...

... but I'd lay odds it will say, go to the corneredcat.com website.

It's a very informative site, for new shooters in general and women in particular, run by an instructor named Kathy Jackson (aka Pax on this forum).

I'd also lay odds it will say, make sure your wife chooses the weapon, and is involved in researching, etc.

Good luck,

M
 
I help with instructing new shooters / and have been thru this with a lot of buddies and their wives and girlfriends.

Everyone is different ...and a little bit of difference in the grip, the trigger or even the weight is a big deal to anyone with smaller hands.

I'm mostly a 1911 shooter myself ....but a full sized 1911, even in 9mm, isn't too popular among many ladies. I have some 5" 1911's - and it seems like the weight is what they don't like / too heavy, too imtimidating... But a gun they do like is a 4" 1911 - and lighter - like a Kimber Tactical Pro II model I have in 9mm / alloy frame makes it a little lighter ....they find it less intimidating / they often like the grip size and the triggers are great. So a 4" 1911 in 9mm is a good option - I think.

Another gun that some of them really like is the Sig 239 - in 9mm. In classes we have some with the stock grips / some with the finger groove Hogue rubber grips. Many of them like the grip and trigger on the Sig 239 / its comfortable for them to shoot.

Maybe 25% - sort of like a revolver. Especially if they don't think they want to deal with dropping mags, inserting mags --- bringing back the slide to load, it etc.... and the gun they often like is a J frame or a K frame S&W in 4". But in both cases - they don't care for the .357 mag / so stay with a .38 spl. The grips on the revolvers are a big deal ...the wider magnum target stocks are way too wide and not comfortable for people with small hands. I have put some of the older S&W wood grips, with finger grooves in them on some of my guns - and 50% of them like the guns with those grips. But most all of them like the revolvers with the Hogue or Pacymeyer grips ... and most of them bristle at the idea of a "Lady Smith" model, etc ....or any gun that has pink or something on it ....

When we teach/expose them to revolvers - in K frames - we have a model K22 and 617 , model 19's, 66's and 686's - some 2", a few in 4", and a couple in 6". We use some of the older J frames - like model 36's...but none of the airweight guns ... The 4" K frame guns get shot the most - by far !

Try and get someone else to instruct / help her ...and make sure they keep the issues focused on training and how to shoot vs stupid tactical stories .../ comments we get back from the ladies is that all the "tactical stuff is a waste of time / they want to shoot more / get individual help" so they can make their own decisions. They like to understand their options ...but not the ballistics stuff ...but basic stuff like what reduces recoil ( heavier guns / lighter weight bullets / lower velocities ). Help them deal with the questions at the gun counter ...which guns do they want, what ammo should they buy and how to ask for it ....good basic stuff.

Then - let her pick her own gun / buy it for her -- ask her to go to the range with you often ...and you'll be fine. Chances are she is not like you and me ---- we collect and shoot --- all she wants is one very good gun / something she is proud of ...and if its a custom 1911 in 9mm - and it costs $ 2,500 ...just buy it ! If its a used model 19 or a 66 S&W in 4" - find her an excellent one ..and buy it.
 
Not sure what the OP's experience level is...

... so this may be way too basic, but just in case...

Remember that, in a given caliber, a smaller gun will be easier to carry, but will have more actual recoil and normally more perceived recoil. (A gun can potentially be designed to reduce its perceived recoil via grip shape and material, lower bore axis, and other design features.) Generally, the easier it is to carry and conceal, the tougher it will be to shoot, especially for a new shooter.

For home defense, you won't have to worry about carry and concealment, so it's normally better to bias toward the larger side (as far as the gun goes, not necessarily the caliber).

Remember that just like us men, women are all different. My lady is 5'8", athletic, grew up on a farm, and raises horses. She has plenty of hand strength, and her hands aren't all that much smaller than mine. She likes my Ruger GP100 .357 and my S&W 29-8 Mountain Gun .44 best (as far as handguns go), but she likes .38+P in the GP100 and .44Special in the MG better than full magnums (although she can shoot the magnums, and the .357 doesn't bother her too much, she's not a big fan of .44 magnum).

She doesn't mind the recoil of my S&W 13-3 with 3" barrel; however, she's still working on her DA trigger control, and as I have a bobbed hammer on that one, she has to shoot it DA, so it's not one of her favorites.

She has not liked the Ruger LCR I used to have, nor the S&W 442 I currently have. She also did not like the Kahr PM9. Small guns, with relatively sharp recoil, even in .38Special and 9mm. (And the LCR and 442 are DA only.) Note: the recoil of the PM9 doesn't cause pain, but the grip doesn't have room for her little finger, and the design of the PM9 (barrel slightly offset to reduce overall height) causes it to rotate slightly during muzzle rise. It's comfortable for me, but she doesn't like it, and neither does my best friend, primarily due to the torquey muzzle rise.

She liked my old CZ75 just fine, and doesn't mind my DW CBOB .45. They are both relatively heavy for their size, which helps keep recoil down. Both have full sized grips, and beavertails, which help a lot with controllability.

She keeps the S&W 29-8 in the nightstand, loaded with .44Special DPX, but her actual preferred HD gun is the Remington 870 in the bedroom closet, loaded with reduced recoil 00 followed by slugs (we live in the country, and 4-legged pests are a possibility; there are no kids so far, so we're not worried about penetrating interior walls).

My mother, on the other hand, is pushing 70 and has some mobility issues, and can't handle a shotgun comfortably. She's quite happy with a SIG P239, but normally practices with a SIG Mosquito .22 due to ammo costs.

I don't think you could pay my sister to handle a gun. She went to college in Boston in the 90's...

My ex, who was a tiny 5'2" 105lb thing, fell in love with a Beretta 92 Brigadier. She carried it in a purse, or her glove box. (The Brigadier is a beefed up variant of the M9; it is not small.)

As you have probably noticed, women, just like men, will sometimes surprise us with what they end up preferring. You've already said you'll have her look at corneredcat.com (a very good call, IMO); eventual next step should be to find some ranges that rent guns she's interested in, or find some friends who will let her try theirs, and see what she thinks after first handling the weapon(s), and then putting some rounds down range.

Last thing I'd recommend: Unless you and she are very good at working in an instructor-student dynamic, it's almost always the best bet to get an actual instructor to work with her. (Not to be sexist; women often have trouble teaching their husbands, too - it's the nature of many couples to resent any appearance of dominance.)
 
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Like has already been said, make sure she decides what gun it is.

If she's anything like my girl, she'll initially think big gun equals big recoil and small gun equals small recoil. She was obsessed with this idea that smaller would fit her better. She found out pretty quick that a sub compact Xd in 40 was not fun for her to shoot. She then shot my full size CZ in 9mm and it was ok, but not great for her. She shot a mil spec 1911 and it didn't faze her a bit. The surprise was the CZ 82 in 9x18 makarov. She loved it the first time she shot it. It has an excellent trigger, big sights and it's just a bit larger than a walther ppk. She won't let me get rid of it now and has claimed it as her own.

Training done by someone else besides you or someone she knows is a great idea. If you have the money to do so, get her to take a basics class and then pick a handgun. If she is comfortable taking a more advanced class, I would suggest she do so. It will make her more comfortable and competent. Guns are still kind of viewed as a mans world and can be very intimidating. It's hard to learn or embrace new concepts if she is intimidated by it. Knowledge and practice makes the intimidation go away as she learns that the gun is just a tool and she is the weapon.

If it's a home defense gun, you don't really want or need a small gun or a small caliber. There are some great slim grip profile pistol out there. If you can find one she likes with a rail, get it and put a light on it. Lights are great when it's dark in your house and they allow you to look around without trying to find light switches on the wall.
 
Expanding on something BigJimP said...

... my mother actually asked for a shooting lesson for her birthday present, the birthday before last. So, I bought her a class at a range near my parents' house.

Mom wasn't sure what the emphasis should be, so she asked me to give some inputs to the instructor.

Since Mom was going to use a semi-auto, I had him go over stoppage clearing drills, and have her do multiple repetitions of each drill. And, of course, plenty of rounds down-range. But I felt it important for her to have confidence that she could load, ready, and fire the weapon, and also that she could handle any feed problems she might encounter.

(Then again, with a SIG P-series, stoppages are pretty rare, but I'm a big believer in Murphy.)

So, the new shooter needs a shooting foundation, not a bunch of tactical stuff. If shooting an auto, though, stoppage clearing really needs to be part of that foundation.
 
The right gun depends on where she lives and how much she will practice
Rule #1 is that long arms trump handguns.
If she's not going to carry a hand gun (see above comment. Where do you live?) She is WAY better off with a good 20 gauge auto shotgun (Benelli Beretta, Browning and so on) then she is with ANY handgun.

If she is going to carry, I would recommend getting a Ruger Mk-2 pistol and shoot it a LOT until she is very good with it. Next, she can sell or trade up to a 9mm or better still, a 40 or 45. 357 magnums are very good, but many women will not practice enough to become good shots with them because of the noise and recoil.

More is better ONLY if it is used well.
More power missing is not good.
Less power hitting is better.
More power hitting is the best.

For a house gun a 20 gauge shotgun or an SKS, AK, AR or even a 10/22 are all good. So are some of the 40 S&W carbines.
A 22 LR is not considered a "defense gun" but you might be shocked at how many people have been killed with 22s. A well placed 22 is way better then a poorly placed 45.

A 10/22 with a red-dot or even a Williams peep sight is a VERY formidable weapon within g a house or yard. Super reliable and accurate enough to make hits on even partially hidden enemies.

More power is better, but in a crowded area, something like an AK-47 is going to have limitations on how it's used because of the penetration. That's why a 20 gauge with heavy BIRD SHOT (like #4s or #2 Turkey shot) is very good.

Anyway, remember that the weapon is a small part of the equation. The huge majority of the fight is about the fighter, not the weapon. Training and mindset are going to carry the victory in about 97% of the cases.
 
I taught mine to use my SW 637, I would rec a revolver similar. Very easy to use, def enough stopping power, reliable, and to lighten the trigger pull for the ladies teach them to pull the hammer back before they pull the trigger. Just my rec. Plus if you got the cash, throwing on some crimson laser grips might add some benefit to her.
All in all whatever she feels most comf. with is whats best, and nothing beats practice practice practice.
Don't forget a good handgun safe with easy access, I would stay away from the minivault and that line, PM me if you want I can send you info on great safes.
 
usnavdoc,

I will probably get flamed for this but, I will say it anyway..

First, I am against .22lr for self defense for obvious reasons
but, if she is totally new to guns there is an intimidation factor
to consider.

We all know guns here. Think like a newbie, the bigger the gun
the more its going to recoil, which of course is the opposite in
the real World.

I think a lady would be way more comfortable with a Walther
p22 in an auto since its small and cute..not so scary. Same for
a small .22 revolver.

May give her more peace of mind than a .410 shotgun or 9mm
that she would be afraid to use.

Thats my .02
 
My advice...

Forget about a shotgun or rifle.

Yes, long-guns are more effective at stopping aggressive humans than handguns, but the handgun is the weapon that you can have with you all the time.
Your wife is just not going to have a shotgun or rifle at hand when she's checking the mail, or gardening in the yard, or playing with the dog, or watering the lawn, or answering the doorbell, or going to the bathroom, or cooking in kitchen, or folding clothes in the laundry-room, or working in the garage, or sitting on the back deck, or lounging around the pool, or tanning in the yard, etc...

A handgun is just more practical.
Especially if she has to carry a child or hold a child's hand while moving to a more safe location.


What handgun:

Forget mousegun calibers.

If she really needs to shoot someone, that means her very life is on the line.
Weak calibers like .22, .25, .32 are certainly capable of killing a human, but they perform dismally at quickly stopping a determined attacker.
This why cops and military don't carry these weak calibers.

Stick with the calibers that are effective against aggressive humans:

9mm Luger
.38 Special
.45 ACP
.40 S&W
.357 Sig
.357 Magnum

I recommend that she go to a range and test fire various models in the calibers listed above, and in various size handguns.

I would avoid handguns that are so large and heavy that it would be burdensome to carry for long periods of time.
And I would also avoid those that are so small and light that they are painful to shoot in the calibers listed above.

Some of my personal picks:

Glock 26
Ruger SR9c
Glock 19
S&W M&P9c
Springfield Armory XD9 compact


Good luck,
Easy
 
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