Hadji Girl

I don't know why they call it "common" sense, it seems so rare sometimes.

For those of you who find no harm in this, I'm curious what your response would be if it was about a BATFE agent using a girl in Hometown USA as a human shield against her pro-2A family members?
 
A few thoughts....

1. In the song, the wayward Marine is led into an ambush by the Iraqi girl. The father & son shoot first. The Marine uses available cover to engage the enemy and defend himself. If this were a police officer in NYC or DFW, this would be considered a good shoot.

2. "Dark humor" is as much a part of warfare as KP and loneliness. Look at the humor that came out of WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.

3. Despite my reference in #1, the US Military are not trained to be policemen (unless they're MP's, of course). You send in the Marines to kill enemies and destroy targets. You send in the Peace Corps to make friends and rebuild villages.

4. The current PC-tainted rules of engagement have cost us more lives than any IED. If the enemy is in a mosque, bomb the mosque. If the ammo dump is in a hospital, sieze the hospital. If a city is harboring a large number of the enemy and is shooting your men in the street, withdraw and MOAB the entire city. War isn't nice. It isn't PC. And trying to make it so will only get your side killed and demoralized.

5. Embedded journalists have proven to be a great mistake. Time to correct that mistake ASAP.

6. The war is worth supporting. The troops are DEFINITELY worth supporting. The administration that is prosecuting troops for fighting like they are in a war instead of making nice-nice are NOT worth supporting.

Thus endeth the lesson....
 
hahaha.

"Durka durka Mohammed jihad"

if you don't find this song funny maybe you should move to California with the rest of the liberal tree hugging hippies.
 
Just a tip, kid, but people who call others names even in a slightly round about way don't last long here. :cool:
 
Your right, I’m sorry I found that song funny.

From now on I’ll just post with people that have a sense of humor.
 
Well, since July 4th is right around the corner how about a little Yankee Doodle - -

Songs and Oaths:
Yankee Doodle

The origins of the words and music of the Yankee Doodle are not known exactly due to the fact that the song has many versions. But, this patriotic U.S. song has an uncomplimentary history.

The music and words go back to 15th century Holland, as a harvesting song that began, "Yanker dudel doodle down." In England, the tune was used for a nursery rhyme -- "Lucy Locket". Later, the song poked fun of Puritan church leader Oliver Cromwell, because "Yankee" was a mispronunciation of the word "English" in the Dutch language, and "doodle" refers to a dumb person. But it was a British surgeon, Richard Schuckburgh, who wrote the words we know today that ridiculed the ragtag colonists fighting in the French and Indian War.

Soon after, the British troops used the song to make fun of the American colonists during the Revolutionary War. Yet it became the American colonists' rallying anthem for that war. At the time the Revolutionary War began, Americans were proud to be called yankees and "Yankee Doodle" became the colonists most stirring anthem of defiance and liberty.

During Pre-Revolutionary America when the song "Yankee Doodle" first became popular, the word macaroni in the line that reads "stuck a feather in his hat and called it macaroni" didn't refer to the pasta. Instead, "Macaroni" was a fancy and overdressed ("dandy") style of Italian clothing widely imitated in England at the time. So by just sticking a feather in his cap and calling himself a "Macaroni", Yankee Doodle was proudly proclaiming himself to be a country bumpkin (an awkward and unsophisticated person), because that was how the English regarded most colonials at that time.
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- http://bensguide.gpo.gov/3-5/symbols/yankee.html
 
I remember in basic wrapping a towel around my head and dancing in the barracks and such foolery as all that and it was funny to me and the rest of my platoon. Even the Drill Sgt. laughed,(he made me do 25 pushups anyway), but he laughed. I think the biggest thing is that so much stuff is "caught on tape" now. It's like a death sentence to be caught doing some silly on camera. The whole deal of investigations and such over a video is just ridiculous though. So we should just throw young marines,sailors,or soldiers in the brig because they made up a silly song or said something UN-PC? Bullcrap.
While I don't fully agree with ranger on all his statements I do agree the military is not designed as a peacekeeping group. We are destroyers and killers by definition. Not the best view of us true, but I don't remember taking handshaking or diplomacy training in BCT. I do remember stabbing dummies with bayonets while screaming KILL though. I say leave the boy alone. He's got enough problems with some group breathing down his neck over a song.
 
How is the guy singing when his mouth is closed? I finally saw the video...but the guy appears to be lip synching or parts the soundtrack appear to be dubbed in???????:confused:
 
If he has the duty to fight for us and possibly die, then he has a right to sing what ever the heck he wants to. Its called free speach.
 
And with free speech comes the responsibility of understanding that things you say may cause certain reactions in people who hear you...right, wrong, or indifferent.

Like I've said, I don't care that the kid was singing a stupid song. I spent enough years in the big Gun Club to sympathize with a grunt's sense of humor....because I was one. I'm not faulting him for "singing" - I'm faulting him for not having the presence of mind to keep from posting that crap on the internet. It's one thing to know we have a sick sense of humor - it's entirely another to prove it to the people who are already trying to hang these kids out to dry - i.e. Haditha.

Perception is reality - and there are two wars being fought here. Failure to understand that virtually ensures that you will be a casualty of one of them.

As someone who has spilled blood and lost friends for this country and this war, I would punch this kid in the mouth for being an idiot. This isn't like the video of the two kids knocking over the port-o-crapper. This is material of a bit more serious nature, especially in light of what the media is already trying to do to us. Why help them out?
 
Finally got to see the clip. My previous comments stand, for the most part. This looks like an in-house thing that should have stayed in-house. Yes, it's funny, especially when you're there and people you've never met are doing their best to ruin your day. Yes, it sucks that people who don't want us there will use this as fuel for the fire. But that's reality, kids. Had it stayed in the barracks, or mess tent, or wherever they did it, it would have been no big deal. But the fact is that we are not supposed to piss off the very people we are trying to help get on their feet. Nor is it smart, when people want us to look bad, to do their job for them. Gallows humor and military songs, often obscene, have historically been a part of war -- hell, we sang that song about Hitler only having one, uh, gonad, in Boy Scouts. Frankly, I don't have a problem with the guy singing, but rather with whoever leaked it to the web. Should never have been filmed, IMO.
 
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I just read on Yahoo that the poor Corporal who sung the song has apologized and our friends at whatever organization it is that is so outraged by it "welcomes" his apology.

This comes after (yesterday?) some Major publicly criticized the song and the Corporal. The article makes a mention of "looking into" the video.

Here's the link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060614/ap_on_re_us/iraq_marine_video

That kid shouldn't apologize for a freaking thing. I wonder what kind of squeeze the brass put on him. My stomach turns just thinking about it.

Patton would have given him a medal or a field commission. And Georgie wasn't even a Marine....

OTOH, Robert E. Lee would NOT have been amused.

But Chesty Puller would've kissed him full on the lips. And he WAS a Marine.

I started this thread to get some points of view, and got just exactly what I wanted...different perspectives. One reason why I like TFL so much. And thus far, it's all been civil.

The cooler heads here say the Corporal shouldn't have done it, and perhaps that he should be punished (at least a little) for it.

The more impetuous among us (including me), feel he should be praised for it.

More thoughts, folks?
 
G.I. humor can be sarcastic, callous and downright cruel. That said, it's also part of the soldiering experience. That Marine didn't say or do anything that thousands of G.I's have been doing since before the Roman days.

Where he screwed up, is video taping it.
 
Anybody recall Lee Marvin wearing coconuts and a grass skirt in the movie "South Pacific"? History documents the fact that soldiers have been making up songs of every kind: bawdy, obscene, satirical, inspirational for at least 2500 years.

Sounds like some of the general staff needs to give up soldiering and join a convent. :rolleyes:
 
The lingo was taken from the "movie" Team America; a friggin cartoon! It was intended as humor in front of fellow Marines and not intended for wide distribution. This type of “dark” humor takes place every day between police officers, firemen and other emergency services. It’s a way of relieving stress and means (don’t fall off your chair) absolutely nothing. Zip. Zero. Nada.

To me this is no different than the cartoons of Hitler or Hirohito and their henchmen in WWII. Of course, that was before we were all enlightened and so very political correct. Nowadays we refer to murdering scum (who kill a lot more or their own, innocent people than they do U.S. troops) as insurgents. That’s so mild it’s almost pleaseant. :barf:

Give me (not to mention the young Marine who’s risking it all by serving his country) a break.

Denny
 
Where he screwed up, is video taping it.
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Maybe everyone missed this part of the news article.
He said his buddies pushed him on stage with his guitar while he was in Iraq in September and someone posted it on the Internet. It has since been removed.
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If this statement is indeed true, sounds to me he was just using bad judgement, in the wrong place at the wrong time. Doesn't appear he even new it was either, being recorded, or was posted on the net.
It was intended as humor in front of fellow Marines and not intended for wide distribution. This type of “dark” humor takes place every day between police officers, firemen and other emergency services. It’s a way of relieving stress and means (don’t fall off your chair) absolutely nothing. Zip. Zero. Nada.
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+1. People who don't understand this, don't have to do it.:cool:

I wonder if anyone got upset when bloody war was depicted as light humor in "Full Metal Jacket", when the marines are singing the mickey mouse song at the end? Maybe it wasn't as 'offensive' but did that cause as much of an uproar as this did, or was it just shrugged off cause it was just a movie?
 
Wildalaska said:
Killing is never a good thing, even though sometimes it has to be done. Not glorifying it is what sets civilized man apart from beasts
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Wildalaska, you are absoultely right about killing being necessary at times, including our involvement in Iraq (at least in the beginning).
The second part of your statement though, I humbly submit, is backwards. The beasts kill out of necessity, either for defense or food. They Kill. They move on. No fanfare, no announcements, no news conference. It is "Civilized Man" that glorifies it.
 
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