Had a confrontation the other day,

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I admire the way you handled the situation.

Too many, in this forum and others, would be wanting to shoot the dog and the owner. It may be morally right, but morality don't pay the legal bills, nor do the time if you are found guilty in court.
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agreed

next time take your shotgun. Nothin' scares trespassers like a 12 gauge.
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good idea

well done, its too easy to imagine how an angry threatening neighbor and an armed neighbor could lead to very bad situation. you did the right thing.

by the way, did you call the sheriff or did he just happen to be going by ?
 
I've had similar situations over the last couple of years because of growth in the area I live in, I love dogs and it really gets me hot when people are not responsible for their animals, I know occassionally they get loose no matter what and I understand that and am sympathetic in those situations. I tell my neighbors "if you see my cows out chasing your dogs, shoot them. because if I see your dogs chasing my cows I'll shoot them"
 
Just chiming in. Good job! The anti-gunners love to paint gun owners as hot heads. It's a big responsibility to own a firearm, and those who realize this resposibility and choose to de-escalate situations are taking the high road. This is a credit to those of us who truly understand our second ammendment rights.
Of course, the 12 guage helps de-escalte things a bit quicker.
 
No damage to people or property...

I'd say it all went well! Any time you can avoid a serious altercation you are much better off...But, remain vigilant...Whaco neighbor may rear his head again!
 
by the way, did you call the sheriff or did he just happen to be going by ?
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Some one drove acar off the road and he was answering that call. This neighbor keeps his dogs home now, I wave at him when he goes by as Ido to all my neighbors. Gotta be neighborly to all, they will come around soon I suppose.

One thing I was taught early on, when you kill something it will never breath again, ever. I dont take defense lightly but I also dont go around killing things unless it is absolutly nessasary. Cats are another thing entirely :) feral cats that is.
 
OK, so there are a lot of animal lovers on this sight,this is good.
How ever if someone is on my property and telling me he is going to kick my ass and that I should meet him half way.I will with my 12 gauge stuck in his face until he is no longer on MY PROPERTY.

The point that this person was threatened on his own property and he ran into his house to escape a confrontation.This is wrong.
Peroid.What's next? Your porch.
 
The point that this person was threatened on his own property and he ran into his house to escape a confrontation.This is wrong.
Peroid.What's next? Your porch.
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OK, you shared your opinion about how the OP handled it. I would be ever so grateful if you would share how YOU would have handled the situation. :confused:

So far I'm leaning toward how the OP handled it, but maybe you could sway me.
 
How ever if someone is on my property
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He was not on my property, his dog was. He was in the road about 1/2 block from me. I didnt run into my house, I had a .45 SA on my person, I chose to not shoot the dog after he growled at me, the guy yelled he wanted to kick my rear end. Git yer facts straight bud before you call me yella, I am not afraid of any man.

Geez, another case of kids on the computer :) wanting to kill evrything in sight.
 
Posted by Doggieman: Next time take your shotgun. Nothin' scares trespassers like a 12 gauge.
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OK, I've waded through 28 posts and NOBODY has done it yet. I guess I'll have to do it.

Carry a 12 gauge with an empty chamber so you can rack the slide. Nothing scares a man like the sound of a shotgun being racked. :rolleyes:
 
Good for you and your restraint. I don't know if I would have shown that much! Living in a relatively urban area; I'm always worried that someone will let their "guard dog" loose either intentionally or unintentionally. If I can scare it off with a broom/rake/hoe; that works. If it comes at me or (especially) my kids, it might go home in a sack.

FYI, when I lived outside Chicago; I had a neighbor. He was a great guy, Viet Nam vet and I really liked him. However, he had a big, black Doberman and a low fence. I had a two year old daughter. I informed him that if "Baby" (its real name!) came over the fence; it would come back dead. Having two grown daughters, he understood that and we became good friends and neighbors.
 
Mark,
I applaud your wise and sane actions. I totally agree that you don't kill the dog unless you have to. Your handling of the situation was perfect. What makes your actions so smart is that they would apply to anyone in that situation in any state. If my neighbor's dog comes on my property and growls at me and I shoot it, I'm in big trouble on Long Island. Hell, I had two guys who were breaking into my neighbor's property tell me they were going to kill me when I confronted them, and I still couldn't shoot. One even advanced toward me. I had my Glock on me and was on my property, but I had to retreat into my house, because in NY the obligation to retreat only ends if you are actually inside your house and the assailants are also. Not menacing the dog owner or creating bad blood by killing the guys dog needlessly is wise. A guy kills my dog and I'm going to retaliate some day unless I feel he had no choice. Its not about being tough or anything, its about conflict resolution that fits the conflict. Well done, sir.
 
Mark.........

Your neighbor is a dip. And so is his dog. He was born that way, his dog was trained or lack of, that way. It's likely neither will change. You did fine .Sometimes it's just not worth having a battle of wits with an unarmed man
 
You did good.

I'm not going to shoot someone over a cat, or because his dog growled at me. This guy has a young kid. Do you want to him to feed the family on Roast Pride or Roast Pork?
 
lived on a working cattle ranch for a number of years. Our policy was to shoot any stray dog on your property. On sight. No one in the ranching community would question your actions. Stray dogs could be calf killers.
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That's the way it is around here - consequently we don't have many dog problems ;)

It all depends on where you are. Me, I might have shot the dog immediately for harrassing my cat. The one dog that I've killed had come up on our porch and grabbed and killed a kitten right on our doorstep :( I couldn't care less about "neighbor relations" in that situation - about a year later the neighbor that owned the dog went to prison anyway.
 
Aggressive Dog

I wouldn't shoot the dog unless it actually attacked me. A growling dog is a scared dog. Most dogs that attack and bite do so silently. In Ohio you better show a little blood if you put down someones dog. I work downtown in Cinci quite a bit and even though there is a ordinance against pit bulls, I'll be darned if I don't see 3 or 4 being walked every time I'm there. My uniform sets them to barking and growling nearly ever time. My scenario would be offer my weak arm while drawing strong armed if attacked. If it were several in a pack loose then I would draw and be ready. No weak arm treat to chew on. I would have no doubt that if I did shoot a dog in downtown I would have everyone and his brother on me in a second.

Godbless......
 
12-gauge??!!

So this "neighbor is a dip. And so is his dog". What if you "Carry a 12 gauge with an empty chamber so you can rack the slide," and he then calls the cops with a report of being threatened by a gun-totting idiot!!! Just asking.:(
 
Nothing scares a man like the sound of a shotgun being racked.

Nothing scares a man like an M14 being fired after hearing the shotgun being racked :p

Point is, you give your position away.
 
I believe the Blues Man Dave said it best. You applied "de-escalation" techniques I try to teach all the time. A less technical term is called responsible action.

Good job.

- Rob
 
"For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence."

-Sun Tzu


Well played.
 
I'm new here but ya did good.

That being said I have had a problem with pits in my yard killing my cats and acting like they are going to come after me. The first few times I hit them with 22 rat shot :D, that slowed them down a bit, however 1 great big one just wouldn't learn, took a 12 gauge to the butt to teach him to stay off my property.

Then along comes a whole danged crew of pit pups. OK this crap has got to stop so instead of shooting to scare I filled their little rumps with 22 rat shot (at close range mind you), them pups never came back.

I do have all kinds of documentation of dangerous dogs with the local law enforcement so If I have to put one down (no longer using rat shot) I can prove they were dangerous and my grand children are my primary concern.
 
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