Ha - Some Conservatives are finally admitting the TRUTH now!

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the obvious one...so -called terrorists.

Sunnis in Iraq, al-qaida everywhere else...
your boy just recently admitted no connection between Saddam and the Al-Qaida regime...so what gives? So we went in, toppled a dictator, and of course, the native Sunnis attack our soldiers (by the way, they're defending their own country in a sense, but we call them "terrorists")

face it... your commander in chief really made a stupid, ill-planned decision, and now, many other nations are unsafe because of it. Take out the leader of a hive, of course the drones will be upset.

not to mention, we (the taxpayers) are stuck with one huge bill
 
Once again, your premise is wrong

Wow - you even made an argument supportive of the visiting Islamofascists and anarchists trying to kill our soldiers in Iraq that are rebuilding their power plants and schools, establishing the rule of law and right to vote, and removing tyrannical governments that were killing them with gas.

Tell you what, let's assume Saddam didn't even know how to spell Al-Qaida.

I suppose you are ok with allowing people who hate you, give money to Palestinian suicide bomber families, have used WMD on their own people, shoot at your countries' fighter jets, and break the rules of cease fires they agreed to after invading a neighboring country unprovoked to continue to operate unimpeded?

*RIIING* It's the 1930's, they would like to speak with Mr. Chamberlin.
 
wow...and you guys think I'm one-sided.

forget about how CIA basically sold them their weapons, trained the Muhajudeen (who many happen to be Al-Qaida now) , and established a significant opium trade with the whole southeastern part of asia (including Afghanistan)...oh wait, it seems you already have.
yeah..apologists seem to frequently suffer from convenient amnesia.

rrring...it's 1979...mr.carter, mr hussein would like to speak with you.

play with fire, you're bound to get burned.
 
There is no such thing as "Jihadist Islam", all Islam is "Jihadist".

One of the primary commands to the faithful is to Jihad against the unbeliever - and Islam isn't a degenerate oligarchy like the Catholic church it is a living, vibrant belief system.
That is what most Westerners don't understand, they apply their own vacuous "religious" belief in "Jesus Christ Super Liberal" to Islam without understanding that Muslims are True Believers™.

Jihad can be blowing up a bus full of Jews or Iraqi recruits or Russian children... or moving your extended family into an infidel's lands and taking political and demographic power and reducing the infidel to convert or dhimmi.

It's the Jihad Stupid.


[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. [4.75] ...fight in the way of Allah... [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Satan...

[4.94]...when you go to war in Allah's way... [4.95] ...those who strive hard [Jihad] in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal...Allah shall grant to the strivers [i.e., Jihadist] above the holders back a mighty reward.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah...nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.38] ...Go forth in Allah's way [to Jihad]... [9.39] If you do not go forth [to go on Jihad], He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you [to go on Jihad]...

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that's the problem with following the supposed "word of god/allah" so literally.
people do the same with the bible, look at how stupid they look. We don't exactly go on a crusade against christian fundamentalists, who are just as militant and deluded.
 
To GHT...

After living in this country for 20 something odd years I can EASILY go through a Bible pick out my favorite quotes and make Christianity look like a bad religion. I could also whine about my experience with most Christians and conclude the religion is evil, and also read my history about their share of atrocities. However, I would prefer to be the better person and understand that religions aren't inherently evil, the people in power of those religions will twist things to cause problems. Truth of the matter is if Muslims were hellbent on jihad, the FEW MILLION that live in AMERICA, would've already done it. Still think Islam is evil? Try looking up Bangladesh, Malaysia, and Indonesia, they are predominantly MUSLIM COUNTRIES FIGHTING TERRORISTS. I could also personally say that, coming from a Muslim family, many of the Muslims here ARE living a better life here.


Epyon


P.S: Don't forget that America's diversity is what makes it the strongest nation on Earth, not because of arrogance and prejudice.
 
anyone who dissents against authority, and acts out on it, is a terrorist. anyone.
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That would make MLK and Ghandi terrorists
your boy just recently admitted no connection between Saddam and the Al-Qaida regime...so what gives?
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Can you provide quotes
Both showing that Bush linked Saddam to the 9/11 attacks and to admission that there was no connection between Saddam and Al-Queda.
your commander in chief really made a stupid, ill-planned decision, and now, many other nations are unsafe because of it.
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A quick study of 9th grade civics will show that our president has no power to declare war or to send troops into extended combat,
So who could have done that?
 
That would make MLK and Ghandi terrorists
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in this day and age, yeah. it would also make Patrick Henry one as well.

Can you provide quotes
Both showing that Bush linked Saddam to the 9/11 attacks and to admission that there was no connection between Saddam and Al-Queda.
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http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/

of course, you'll probably dismiss it as a crusade against Bush, by the left :rolleyes:

A quick study of 9th grade civics will show that our president has no power to declare war or to send troops into extended combat,
So who could have done that?
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most likely his lackies; he acts on their behalf. Bush couldn't tie his shoes without Cheney's approval. They certainly went against the wishes of congress, and dove head first into a very ill-planned war.

hey, he went behind Congress' back, in violating FISA, right?
 
of course, you'll probably dismiss it as a crusade against Bush, by the lef
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No but I do dismiss it as non responsive
I asked for a quote attributed to Bush where he claims a direct link between Saddam and the 9/11 attacks and a quote absolving Saddam of any connection with Al_queda
most likely his lackies; he acts on their behalf. Bush couldn't tie his shoes without Cheney's approval. They certainly went against the wishes of congress, and dove head first into a very ill-planned war.
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Only if the congress is overwhelmingly his lackies, including John Kerry

in this day and age, yeah. it would also make Patrick Henry one as well.
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Then why hasn't Cindy Sheehan been arrested or any of the other very vocal anti war "dissidents" ?
 
I would say the title of the article you referenced clears up your claim that we went to Iraq based on 9/11
Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11
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Your own source says he didn't say we were going into Iraq based on 9/11.

But then I might be confusing your reality with with facts.
 
Congress voted twice to go into Iraq. Thats right twice. They have also continued to fund it. See The President did just what he was supposed to do. Congress on the other hand abandoned their responsibilities by giving him the authorization to use force. The President doesn't declare war, congress does. See this whole thing did not happen in a vacuum, congress was right there, course now half of them want to pretend they did'nt vote for it, haven't been funding it, and never heard of it.
Epyon, I don't recall Christians blowing up women and children, or hacking peoples head off because they don't worship the same way we do. So I see no comparison there. Maybe I missed that newscast.
 
Come on Big Ruger, you know it was Bush's fault. Everything since the continents split is his doing with Cheney and company encouraging him.:rolleyes: :D
 
I know Don, Its just a question of which day it is. Today he's a jibbering idiot and can't blink without Cheney's guidance. Tomorrow he's an evil genious plotting to take over the world. The funny thing is he's such a dolt but he's been handing the dems their ass for six yrs. So in the words of Maj. Payne, "WHO DA DUMMY NOW?":cool:
 
So much ignorance

on different religions.

These religions do have books written that actually present clear philosophies and principles.

One says "love your enemy", one says "destroy those not in your religion".

One says "defend yourself when necessary", one says "attack those not in your religion".

One says "love your wife", the other says "beat her when she sins".

One says "speak truth always", the other says "its ok to lie to those not in your religion"

They are antipoles in so many ways.
 
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Epyon, I don't recall Christians blowing up women and children, or hacking peoples head off because they don't worship the same way we do.
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Spanish Inquisition and during their quests in the New World, Salem Witch Trials, just about any European power that colonized Africa, Asia, and the Americas pushed their religion and usually did so with force. Slaves from Africa were introduced to Christianity, yet were under the double standard that they were less than human, but they could get to paradise if they believed. (Still did nothing to improve their lot in their life.) The British enter China and push their form of religion among other things and thus incite the Boxer Rebellion. "For God and country" last I checked to bring civilization to "savages".:barf: Oh also, let's speak of the Mormon Mountain Meadows Massacre, which was led by Christians. EDIT: Regarding the Catholic priest child molestation scandal, why were they not excommunicated from their church? They were moved to different churches in order to avoid justice, wouldn't you rank child molesting as bad as murder? (If you'd like more examples pm me about religious atrocities pm me about it.)

nate1865, have you read the ENTIRE Koran instead of your favorite bad quotes? As stated, I could go through a Bible and do the same exact thing. I could mention that the belief of hellfire and brimstone to scare people into following worked well in the Dark Ages, as did torture and "trials" for practicing witchcraft or any religion other than Christianity at that time. Has it also come to your attention that if Islam was really evil then everyone who follows it, (remember second largest religion in the world.) would be committing the same acts the terrorists are? These religious fanatics are a small number, who use the media to expand prejudice to people like you in the hopes of inducing Western hatred onto Islam so that other Muslims are forced/inclined to take up their cause. If you state and practice prejudice against YOUR Muslim COUNTRYMEN, that sets a bad example of what America is supposed to be. (Like it or not, Muslims in America are here to stay, and they have every right to be here because they're not out to break laws.)

Without Islam or the Arab world you wouldn't have algebra, trigonometry, medicine, and other technologies that Europe lacked when it was stuck in the Dark Ages thinking the world was flat. People back then were kept under the foot of religion in order for the Pope to maintain power, while the Islamic nations accelerated at science.


Epyon
 
Without Islam or the Arab world you wouldn't have algebra, trigonometry, medicine, and other technologies that Europe lacked when it was stuck in the Dark Ages thinking the world was flat. People back then were kept under the foot of religion in order for the Pope to maintain power, while the Islamic nations accelerated at science.
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And how are things on both sides today
 
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