Guy at the gunshop said its Too much of a rifle for me...

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What do you all think? Am I over reacting, or was the guy right?
Over reacting yes, the guy was trying to help you out. First you learn to shoot well at close to moderate ranges and that takes a lot of trigger time. You won't shoot nearly as much if you are shooting expensive ammo and you develop a flinch because you are not used to the recoil.

If you can hit your target at 100 and then 200 yards with a 22 you are ready for a mid range caliber, anything from .243 to .308 will take you easily out to your 500 yard target without breaking the bank and you will learn how to dope wind, calculate bullet drop and how to adjust your sights for it. You will learn to read the sun and mirage and breath control and that single minded concentration that makes all of your shots the same.

Then go for a whomper if you still want it, they will still be there and you will have a lot better idea what you really want as far as caliber, stock, action, barrels, sights or scopes. Don't just jump on a big gun because it has that cool factor and magnum in its name, to many of them get shot a few times then never see the light of day again or get sold cheap.
 
The harder a rifle recoils, the harder it is to shoot consistantly and accurately. Best way to learn bad habits is start at the top.
Buying an Indy car does not make you an Indy driver.
 
To the OP

Have you ever fired a Rifle before ? If so what was it chambered for ?
I have tought several young people to shoot, but I never start them out with one of my Kickers. I dont want to scare them away.:confused:
 
I've entertained the thought of learning to shoot very precisely at long distances. I don't have much experience with large caliber rifles, but definitely want to get something that will reach out to 500-100 yrds that I can become very good with.
I often wonder if people who respond to a thread ever read the original post.
 
OK Slappy,
So I guess the OP has fired a Rifle before, so If he wants a 300 Win Mag, and is bound and determined he should get one, but he must have doubts or he wouldnt be seeking advice.
I think the guy at the gun counter was trying to help him, but thats just my personal opinion.
Myself for long range, I can think of no other cartridge I would rather use than the .308 Winchester, but thats just my personal opinion based on years of experience, and the wide variety of reloading components available for the cartridge. Good luck to the OP.
 
I have heard from a couple friends, who both compete with and build custom competition rifles, that .300 Win Mag eats barrel throats rather rapidly. Assuming that is true, I think the OP's plan to train heavily on a .300 platform could be much more expensive than he may wish.
 
Very likely he was trying to goad you into buying that rifle. Most men, when told something is too much for'm, will push out their chest and grab that item just to go out and prove they are man enough. It's a common sales technique but one that prevents future sales to that customer.
 
Myself for long range, I can think of no other cartridge I would rather use than the .308 Winchester, but thats just my personal opinion based on years of experience, and the wide variety of reloading components available for the cartridge. Good luck to the OP.
But surely you will admit that the .300 has better potential as a long range cartridge than the .308?

Have you ever fired a .300 Win Mag with a muzzle brake? Believe me, they are quite mild and a 12.3lb model would be especially so. BTW, that is 12.3lbs without the bipod or optics.

I also don't see there being much, if any advantage in the available components for reloading a .308, especially since they both shoot the same projectiles, with the exception that the .300 will shoot anything a .308 will and then some.
 
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I have also been told that a 300 Win Mag was too much of a rifle for me. Reason being I all of 165 lbs soaking wet. The guy did not even ask what my shooting experience is. Needless to say, I did not hear a single word he said after that. As I walked away to talk to another salesperson.

To the OP, what is your shooting experience? What is the biggest caliber you have experienced?
 
I think the salesman was doing you a favor. His choice of words was poor, but he did have your best interest at heart.

I need to practice and might as well have the best tool for the job.

I think you are mistaken. It isn't that you need to practice. You need to learn. Practice comes AFTER learning. The rifle and caliber in question are not going to be good tools for learning what you want to learn given your apparent lack of experience.

So if you are going the "best tool for the job" route, then obviously you are going to be using nothing but match ammo. So you are looking at roughly $1.75-3.00 a round after shipping and/or taxes.

If you are self teaching, I would suggest that for what it is going to cost you in ammo to get up to speed on long range shooting with that gun and caliber, you could buy a smaller caliber accurate bolt gun in .223 and a LOT of ammo and likely come out financially ahead by the time you decide to step up to the rifle and caliber mentioned in the OP. In the end, you would end up having 2 rifles and be proficient with both for the same amount or less than what it is going to cost you by starting off with the desired 300.

It has been noted that one sure way to develop bad habits is by starting out at the top. That is probably a fairly accurate statement unless you plan to hire a shooting instructor for the first 10-20 shooting sessions.

Going with the larger caliber and gun is going to make it a lot more difficult for you to comprehend and correct whatever shooting issues you may encounter, not to mention being much more expensive.

Part of what is going to likely give you fits is figuring out what ammo/loads work best for the gun in terms of accuracy. You are going to have a hard time determining if your shooting issues issues are caused by you, the rifle, or the ammo.

You said it best. Setting it up will cost a little moola, getting a good piece of glass atop it, bipod, reloading supplies... that sorta thing. It's only money.

As far as the question of ammunition expense. There is a whole new hobby for you to get into and enjoy year round >(reloading)

You reloading for this rifle would be a mistake. You are already going to have some issues with finding commerical ammo that works well or best in your gun given your inexperience. Trying to learn to shoot at longer distance while also attempting to develop your own loads for the gun will definitely cause you a lot of frustration. As with commercial loads, how are you going to know if accuracy issues are you or the ammo? How about for consistency - you or the reloads?

Buy what you want, but keep in mind that by going the route you want to go will likely be a much more frustrating and expensive way to become the long range shooter you want to be. Plus, going your route may turn out to be a costly mistake if you learn that you really don't enjoy long range shooting or don't have the knack for it.

Very likely he was trying to goad you into buying that rifle. Most men, when told something is too much for'm, will push out their chest and grab that item just to go out and prove they are man enough. It's a common sales technique but one that prevents future sales to that customer.

That certainly does not sound like what the OP described. The is no macho-appeal in buying expensive ammunition. More over, the guy at the gun store was trying to talk the OP out of a gun that the OP wants to buy. If anything, it sounds like he is trying to help the OP make a better purchase decision and one that would not result in having a dissatisfied customer. The gun store guy would not be noting how expensive the ammo will be if he was trying to goad the OP into a purchase based on machoism. He would have completely left out that negative factor.
 
I have one last thing to say on this subject, actually two. First, the guy's screen name is Addicted2Shooting. That doesn't automatically strike me as an inexperienced shooter. Second, he is looking at a rifle that retails between $1600 and $2000. Doesn't exactly sound like someone who is concerned about cost either.
Why do so many people make assumptions about someone they have never met?
 
Just like you assumed he is an experience shooter because of his screen name. :)

I would like to hear from the OP to help clarify.
 
No, I'm not assuming anything. I just try to answer the quys question without making assumptions and I do not believe that, if he feels he can afford it, a 12+ lb .300 Win Mag with a muzzle brake is too much gun for anyone who knows the basics of shooting. The basics are the same whether it is a .300 Win Mag or a .17HMR.
My point is, that several people read (?) the OP and assume that he is inexperienced, and he can't afford it. None of us knows whether either of those are facts. I would not automatically assume either from reading his original post.
 
slappy , I get what you're saying.

The OP did mention he had limited experience with large caliber rifles.

And yes the rifle has very much to do with the recoil of a big calibers. I have shot .338 and .50 in rifles that felt like I was shooting .223.
 
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Yes, and he also said he wanted to learn long range shooting. I would have to take that to mean he doesn't have much experience at that either but, if you already have the basics and you want to learn long distance shooting, it would seem to me that you would need a rifle capable of shooting long distances. I know, their are plenty of people that have said that a .308 will do the job with less recoil but, I think maybe they have never shot a .300 Win Mag with a muzzle brake. I am not a big fan of muzzle brakes personally (too much noise) but, the M700 in 300 Win Mag that I have some experience with has a muzzle brake and it has less felt recoil than any .308 that I can remember ever shooting.
I have shot .338 and .50 in rifles that felt like I was shooting .223.
You see that just proves my point. You said the salesman said a .300 was too much gun for you based on your size but obviously he didn't know what he was talking about. I have met some gun salesmen that were good and really knew their stuff but I have to say, the majority I have met would be just as well off selling cars.
 
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I'll do my best to keep this simple: If you like the rifle and can afford both it and all of the necessary extras, then I say go for it. Ultimately, person can learn to shoot with a Barret .50 just as well as they can with a 10/22. Are the learning curves going to be different? Most certainly, but this is your interest and your money so no one can make that decision but you. As for whether or not you should be insulted by the salesman in question, I would have had to have been there in order to gauge his tone and all that, but considering that I have spoken to salesmen that didn't know what a rail mount was, I wouldn't put much stock in it one way or the other....
 
huh

Post #1:
've entertained the thought of learning to shoot very precisely at long distances. I don't have much experience with large caliber rifles, but definitely want to get something that will reach out to 500-100 yrds that I can become very good with.

I was talking to a guy at a gun shop and expressing my interest in the rifle. I was a little bit intimidated when he said its too much of a gun for me starting out, and that the ammo is super expensive. Now, the ammo being expensive I can understand, but just assuming that the gun is too much for me because its a big gun didn't sit well with me. I am of the mindset that if I want to become good at something, I need to practice and might as well have the best tool for the job.
"interest in the rifle"??

What exact rifle are you discussing? No mention in the OP.
Is it the rifle pictured in post #2?
The ensuing discussion mentions .300 WM, .338, .50 BMG, etc.
Which one were you looking at?
As far as 1000 yards go....Palma Match shooting is done at distances out to 1000 yards. The cartridge is .308 Win. with a 155 grain bullet.
Pete
 
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