Guns in students cars.

Regardless of how things were in the past (and yeah, my father took a .22 to school, hunting on the way home), you don't get to break the law and break school rules. Some of the attitudes in the article were pretty funny.

Kathy Domanski’s sons, 16-year-old sophomore Kyle and 17-year-old junior Eric, were among the six suspended — and she believes the school specifically targeted students who were hunters and purposely did the search at the start of deer hunting season.
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Well imagine that! When would you expect kids to bring guns to school. Hunting season would be a really good guess. I can't tell if she is upset because she thinks the school is being unfair or because her kid made such a blatantly stupid decision.

Domanski said she believes officials should have warned students not to bring hunting gear to school.
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No doubt the kids had a student handbook with the rules in it and no doubt the signs around the school also state that guns aren't allowed (see picture in article). This isn't a new rule. Just how many warnings does she think her kid needs before he should get in trouble for breaking the rules? Her kids are 16 and 17. If they don't understand about rules by now, then maybe this is a really good heads-up lesson for them before they become adults and break "rules" for which they didn't have countless warnings and end up in jail or prison.

“I understand about the zero-tolerance (policy), but there was no threats involved,” Kathy Domanski said.
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Fine. Nobody was threatened. That is why her kids were not arrested for assault or some other related charges. Since she understands the zero tolerance policy, then she should understand that no threat need be made for the bringing of guns on school property be considered breaking the rules, but based on her comments, she doesn't seem to understand this at all.
 
I'm in complete agreement with DNS on this one.
The parents in our district have to sign and date the code of conduct each year, and I am sure that the parents in the article had to at least review it every year. That's at least 10 opportunities to read the part about " No guns on school property " part.

Stupid parents, stupid kids. throw the book at them, they give the rest of us a bad name.
 
Bring in the ACLU!!!!

Profiling is what we have here!!!

I know of one k-12 PUBLIC school that they don't do these silly searches...

Sure if there is a threat they would nip it in the bud...

But if they were to search the parking lot of vehicles during general gun, they would have to expel a large portion of the already small student body and fire the majority of faculty and staff...

State law may say one thing but some true redneck country folks run the schools on a local level...

Brent
 
Sadly, the law prohibits carrying the guns on school property.

The right thing to do is petition for change in the laws. THEN, carry after the laws are changed.

Unfortunately, they are going to have to pay a price for their violation.

--Wag--
 
But if they were to search the parking lot of vehicles during general gun, they would have to expel a large portion of the already small student body and fire the majority of faculty and staff...
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Just because a bunch of people ( even staff ) do it, and have gotten away with it in the past, does not make it legal.

No guns means no guns.
 
Just because it is a ZERO TOLERANCE LAW don't make it any less silly...

There is no GOOD reason that guns IN PRIVATE PROPERTY shouldn't be allowed ON SCHOOL PROPERTY...

It is when they are brought out and brought to bear in a hostile manner that something should be done about it!

At the same school I mentioned, The faculty and staff are blatantly aware that many boys and girls carry knives... These are farm kids after all...

The AG teacher knows which student's carry the SHARPER knives and will ask one of them when he wants a real sharp knife.

It isn't unusual for a high schooler to tote a leatherman right on his belt...

Brent
 
If the can suspend a grade school kid for little toy soldiers and toy guns glued to a hat then why not these guys.
 
Since I was going to school back in the mid 90s and up to 2007, there were never any guns allowed on school. Regardless of what season it is, the rules haven't changed for years, and are not likely to change. Suck it up! How hard would it have been for the boys to go home after school and grab the guns? It all boils down to common sense. Society lacks it.
 
They certainly shouldn't have done it, but it's a stupid law.

Stupid.

The law was clearly not intended to be enforced for that reason.

There should have been exclusions and exceptions.

But, there aren't. So they shouldn't have brought the guns.

The whole thing is stupid.
 
They only got suspended? :confused: I'd be jumping up and down ecstatically with that verdict.

Still a stupid law though...
 
Sounds to me like they will have extra time to hunt...
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I always "generated" a personal "hogdogs" vacation for huntin'... Some one was gettin' a magnum spit wad to the head or somethin'... But I was gettin' my time off...

Brent
 
They certainly shouldn't have done it, but it's a stupid law.

Stupid.
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It may be a stupid law. Personally, I am quite alright with the notion that minors should not be taking guns to school where they are then in the charge of somebody else. I know I would not want to have to be responsible for kids I don't personally know really well having firearms. It puts the school in a tricky legal position if there is a problem. Why, because if there is a problem and somebody gets hurt, the family of the hurt student isn't going to sue the other child for the transgression. They are going to sue the school district.

Fortunately in the case of Columbine, part of the reason that the suits against the school were thrown out stemmed from the school having rules in place forbidding guns on campus. In other words, the school didn't allow the event to happen by allowing kids to bring guns to school. The judge apparently and rightfully understood this.

However, in many school shootings, families of the victims sue the school and for all sorts of stupid reasons. The success of such suits depends, in part on which rules and laws are in place and whether or not the school is in compliance with them. Heck, the school was named in a lawsuit when Lawrence Kind was shot twice (later died) by another student who shot King for being gay. The claim? The school should not have let King wear girls' clothing and makeup that result in drawing negative attention to King and resulted in his death. Fortunately, there was law in place protecting the school. They could not force King to wear the gender specific clothing because of hate crime law that prevented such gender discrimination.

People want to sue. It is sad, but seems to be true. You can go back and look at school shootings in the last 20 years or so and see that suits were brought against the schools, districts, and/or boards in all (that I have read over thus far) elementary, middle, and high school shootings where a student was the shooter - certainly in some college shootings as well. Of course the shooter or his/her family (if a minor) should be responsible, you would think, and have to pay, but they often don't have the deep pockets of a school district that is tied to a city or county and hence has the potential for a very large settlement.

Think about it. When was the last time somebody was killed in a school shooting that the parents or family of the victims just considered the whole event an unfortunately tragedy and didn't try to exact some sort of compensation out of the school?
 
DNS, you have to realize that these guns were in trucks and cars... In and of them self a LETHAL weapon... Ban students from bringing their trucks and cars to school... What about them EQUALLY LETHAL tire irons?

Brent
 
"Just because it is a ZERO TOLERANCE LAW don't make it any less silly..."

In my opinion, the fact that it is a "zero tolerance" law makes it MORE silly. Zero tolerance laws/rules exist simply to shield bureaucrats and their cronies from criticism they would surely attract for misapplying well-intentioned rules were the administrators forced to act out of their own discretion. There are exceptions to most every rule. I remember a stir about some idiot school administrator suspending a elementary student for letting a friend and fellow asthmatic use her rescue inhaler; way to go zeros.
 
Double Naught Spy said:
Well imagine that! When would you expect kids to bring guns to school. Hunting season would be a really good guess. I can't tell if she is upset because she thinks the school is being unfair or because her kid made such a blatantly stupid decision.
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I think this is ridiculous... and correct.

The school undoubtedly ran the searches right at the start of the hunting season because they could quite rightly count on finding guns in vehicles. That was a rational move... if, and here is where it becomes ridiculous, the goal was to catch forgetful high school hunters and slap them with zero-tolerance punishments for being absentminded or running late.

Last I checked, the GOAL of such policies was to prevent violence at schools. I'm sure most of us think that the policies are ridiculous and do little good, but it's worse.

Because now we're enforcing the policy not to achieve its goal, but for the policy's own sake, and I don't think the school should have any business playing gotcha with students who mean no harm.
 
Nothing more tiresome than Fools with Rules.

There are so many lines drawn by political idiots that it's a miracle you can walk down the street without tripping over one.

And every year a new crop of these folks gets to write a thousand pages of new rules. Hard to understand how it was ever possible to get things done before we had all these rules.

Things must be better now. Certainly we're all safer and more prosperous.

Thanks for saving us from ourselves, bold Legislators. Feel free to take a bit more money to keep an eye on us, see that we toe the line.
 
At a school by me a student was suspended for having a box cutter on his car seat that he used at work after school.

This is high school and we always have the school sheriff walk down the cars or parking lot duty (stop people from escaping??)...
 
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