Guns and masks

[RETG]

You guys have it rough, I have not worn a mask for a week or two (except in a PO) when one day I looked around in two major big box stores with signs saying masks are required and half the people were unmasked.
Before, I was wearing in big box stores that had notices but in local type stores such as when I was furniture shopping, I asked first and in all cases the answer was if you want to you can and if you want, we (the employees) will put our mask on.

 

[44 AMP]

Personally, I'm ok with being told I ought to wear a mask. I'm ok with being asked to wear a mask, or business saying you must wear a mask inside their store.

What I'm not ok with is being ordered to mask by the govt. Nor am I ok with an eatery being forced to close while a strip club can stay open. OR telling people in church they cannot sing...or other unfair and stupid arbitrary rules.

and when the rule is not "specific mask with medical rating" but is "this mask preferred but any face covering acceptable" its real close to a moot point.

I spent over 3 decades working with, and in respiratory protection in radiologically and chemically contaminated atmospheres, up to and including IDLH levels. APRs, PAPRs, (full face masks and hoods) SCBAs and supplied air systems. Much of that experience is directly transferrable to biological contamination. Full protection requires full coverage. Anything less is only partial protection, IF THAT. And getting out of full coverage protection must be done in exactly the correct way, or you're throwing away all protection.

Just wearing "face coverings" is like wearing slippers inside your house. Provides a level of mental comfort but no real significant protection. When you need boots, you need boots, not slippers.

SO, now we have laws, written for and during "normal times" and they are apparently at odds with current social direktives. Which do you obey???

I'd say obey the one that is being enforced.

 

[Metal god]

Personally, I'm ok with being told I ought to wear a mask. I'm ok with being asked to wear a mask, or business saying you must wear a mask inside their store.

Me too in general . I had a contractor come to the house the other day with out wearing a mask . I asked him " I assume you've got the vaccine because you are not wearing a mask " ? He said no . As much as I do believe it's your choice to wear a mask in most situations . Going to a strangers home where you will be expected to enter . At minimum you should arrive wearing a mask . I'm vaccinated because I care for two family members who have several underlying conditions each . The idea this guy doesn't respect the fact he does not know the situation he will be entering bothered me . It also made me look inward and wonder should I have told him ahead of time . My conclusion was we both could have done a better job at this first encounter . I had two other contractors come out , one was wearing a mask the other asked If I wanted him to wear a mask . IMHO the last two is how the contractor or anyone coming to a strangers home should handle things .

I'm a contractor my self and I'm vaccinated and I still wear a mask when doing proposals . It's almost like leaving the slide locked back or the cylinder open . Yes I know the gun is unloaded but nobody else on the line does . A gun can't get "more" unloaded or safer but in a way it is safer if everyone can see that it's safe .

 

[Aguila Blanca]

As much as I do believe it's your choice to wear a mask in most situations . Going to a strangers home where you will be expected to enter . At minimum you should arrive wearing a mask .

In recent months I have had an emergency boiler service call, a routine boiler service call, an emergency plumbing repair call, two cable TV repair calls, and a telephone repair call. Not only did they ALL wear masks -- before each service tech or team showed up I received a telephone call informing me that if I wasn't wearing a mask they could not complete the service call.

Masks are certainly not 100% but, to whatever extent they are effective, it is much more to protect other people from the wearer than it is to protect the wearer. The contractor who came to your house should have been wearing a mask -- period.

 

[RETG]

I haven't worn a mask (except when raking dry leaves on a windy day) since the second week after the first Pfizer shot. And for sure since I had my second shot...probably never again. No one I know wears a mask unless in a large box store; however, those large box stores have less people every time I go without masks and ever one has an out for a mask.

Have had two contractors over, neither with a mask. Never even paid attention to that fact.

And all locations I go have a notation in their policy such as:
granting exceptions for children under age 5, people who cannot medically tolerate wearing a mask, people who have trouble hearing and must read lips for communication, people for whom a face covering would pose a workplace risk and, among others, people who are obtaining a service related to the face or head and must temporarily remove a face covering.

And no proof of medical reason required!

And if you go into a Walmart, Fred Meyer (aka Kroger) and a few local grocery stores, you will find half are not wearing masks and months ago when more were being worn, half didn't cover their nose.

 

[cjwils]

Some give foolish reasons for not masking. I hope we will eventually undrstand that Covid 19 was nature's way of improving the human gene pool by eliminating foolish people.

What I really mean is, this not a place to debate public health issues.

 

[44 AMP]

I hope we will eventually undrstand that Covid 19 was nature's way of improving the human gene pool by eliminating foolish people.

Except its not...

What I really mean is, this not a place to debate public health issues.

It is, and it isn't. This is the Law and Civil Rights forum, and while we focus on our firearms rights primarily, we also discuss things that bear on or have an impact on those rights.

up until a little as a couple years ago, wearing a mask and a gun was a pretty good "target designator". Bad guys wore masks. Terrorists wear masks, etc.

We have and have had laws on the books about wearing masks for some time. Now we also have a slew of "orders" about masks, that are not laws, but are "mandates, and requirements", and quite possibly some of those were issued under unconstitutional authority. Since there is now a vaccine, in time people will mostly forget about the problem, but the fact remains that not all levels of govt acted correctly everywhere.

Yes. emergency powers were granted, properly in some places, improperly retained in some others.

So, to a degree, I think the subject may be discussed here, provided we stay within the rules of the forum.

 

[Pistoler0]

Not "Period." Not even comma. People who want to kill other people WILL find ways to do it. History has proven that. Look at the series (a couple/few years ago) of Islamist terrorists killing multiple people by driving cars and trucks onto sidewalks.

And don't forget knives ...

Exactly.

As the UK has become a very "gun free" society, there should be very few homicides right?

Check out the following article from the main stream anti-gun media:
Rise of knife crime in England and Wales

 

[Pistoler0]

You guys have it rough, I have not worn a mask for a week or two (except in a PO) when one day I looked around in two major big box stores with signs saying masks are required and half the people were unmasked.
Before, I was wearing in big box stores that had notices but in local type stores such as when I was furniture shopping, I asked first and in all cases the answer was if you want to you can and if you want, we (the employees) will put our mask on.

That's because WY is an AWESOME state.

I look at you in envy from the south in Colorado : )

 

[ghbucky]

Yes. emergency powers were granted, properly in some places, improperly retained in some others.

It has been interesting watching that play out in legislature and court cases. Here in KY, the legislature hamstrung the gov's emergency powers when they finally convened in January, and then overrode his veto. But, we are still in some weird kind of limbo state where masks are 'mandated' everywhere but there is no enforcement of any kind (there was very little enforcement in my area, mostly restricted to bars and restaurants).

The Governor of Indiana announced last week that the mask 'mandate' was being rescinded and moved to a 'suggestion'. The KY gov actually tried to call the IN gov to 'reconsider', which was ignored.

 

[stinkeypete]

If I have Ebola, is it my right to walk around in public?
If I have been exposed to Ebola, is it my right to walk around in public?

If your surgeon says he can’t medically tolerate wearing a mask, can he still operate on you?

If you can’t tolerate a surgical mask, are you too feeble to carry around an extra pound of metal?

 

[Metal god]

If I have Ebola, is it my right to walk around in public?
If I have been exposed to Ebola, is it my right to walk around in public?

No and No , not sure if those are real questions or the point . However lets assume those are real questions with an underlying point .

It's my understanding the government not only has the right but a compelling interest to stop anyone that has been Knowingly exposed to or has contracted a deadly disease that is transmittable . It's also my understanding the government DOES NOT have the right to force perfectly healthy people to house arrest or ANY other confinement . Now to force perfectly healthy people to wear masks , why ? The healthy person need not wear a mask because they have NO ability to spread a disease they don't have . So now what comes in to play is , what does the government have the right to tell a perfectly healthy person to wear or do with there body ( hmm Roe v Wade ) ? As far as I can tell the courts don't want to touch that with a ten foot pole so they let the government do what ever they want . We've seen some push back but not much as far as I've seen .