Gun store clerks

The husband should have brought or rented the 44mag/or the 357/or the 38sp.
and have wife fire each to see what she liked and was comfortable with.
I took my wife to our GS and rented the Ruger 1.87 " 357 mag/ the 2.25 inch
357 version and the S&W snub models.
She choose the Ruger because it felt right for her. She further liked my GP 100 4.2" 357. said the balance was super. Does anyonne think that I wouuld argue this with my wife?????.not a chance in Hades.
 
Salespeople all over the world tell their customers stuff like:

You don't need a 4WD pickup truck to drive to the office. An econo-box will suit your needs much better, be easier to park, and cost less to operate.

Green fingernail polish? Are you kidding? I think red is your color.

Choosy mothers choose JIF.

That hat makes you look like a scarecrow.
 
If I go to a shop to buy something, one of the things I'm going to make use of is their expertise as I don't know what I don't know even if I know something.

How a customer behaves, the questions they ask or don't all should give a shop assistant worth his salt an idea of whether this customer has a idea of what they're doing. From there, they can judge on how to handle the situation.

Keeping their knowledge to themselves is a disservice, IMHO. Share it, then let the customer decide, fully informed

On of my less than reputable hobbies is car shopping when I am out of town. I work in the automotive industry and based on experience would be considered a subject matter expert at many things automotive related. One of the things that baffles me is salesmanship in the industry and one could argue I am simply trying to learn via field study. I just have fun

Some of the more memorable things I have been told by sales personal:

Gear ratio has absolutely no impact on mileage (Full size Silverado)

This car does not use a battery (Chrysler sedan)

An inline engine produces more power than any other design (Told about a Subaru horizontally opposed engine by an Audi "specialist")

A CVT transmission is just like a normal transmission but computer controlled so you don't feel the shift - no longevity issues (Jeep Patriot)

It is extremely rare that I find a salesman who actually knows the product they are selling. I have sat in on a sales "seminar" once put on by a large European manufacture where some of the "demos" shown on video had obvious hyperbole in them. It was explained to me (I asked afterwards quietly) that because they were not attempting to actually sell to the sales people truth in advertising rules did not exactly apply.

Sales people have a unique skill set and one that I do not have. However that skill set is not necessarily built on product knowledge
 
I'd find it hard to believe that anybody could accurately report the entire story of everything said from the time the couple walked in, to the time they left, all while eves dropping. This may have not even been their first time conversation with the store clerk.

Federal makes a 44 Special, 200gr lead hp load. Light recoil load (I have shot it) but still 44 caliber.
A guy could argue that that was an outstanding choice.


Exactly! What other big bore, mild recoil, gun small enough to be comfortable, choices are out there? 44 spl is a great personal defense round.
 
Originally posted by TimSr:

I'd find it hard to believe that anybody could accurately report the entire story of everything said from the time the couple walked in, to the time they left, all while eves dropping. This may have not even been their first time conversation with the store clerk.

I agree. The husband and wife did not ask the OP for an opinion, or info or help. They seem to know what they want. If the clerk tries to talk them outta what they want, they will probably go somewhere else and the shop will loose a sale. It really is no business of the OP or anyone else here as to what those folks wish to buy for firearms. There are countless threads here about the fact that folks only need to want a firearm, to justify buying it. Still here we sit, with a three page rant about what other folks should buy. Just SMH..........
 
The problem is some clerks think they know more than you simply because they work in a gun store. Some of us don't take kindly to a clerk making assumptions that we need this or that or that we don't know this or that. They have some customers that this is their first gun period and then they have a customer like some of us who have more guns at home than the store does all together. I personally find it funny when a young man behind the counter starts telling me that brand x is way better than brand z. That's my cue to have fun. I ask simple questions about the gun that I already know the answer to. Most of the time they realize that I know more about the gun than they do real fast because when they can't answer the question about the gun I educate them. And sometimes I get a very knowledgeable clerk that knows more than myself and I learn something. Either way I have fun.

My wife is a different ball of wax. She wanted a new 12 gauge for duck hunting a few years ago so we went shopping. The very first shop we stopped at she asked to look at Beretta. The shop owner said honey let me show you this new 20 gauge that will fit you perfectly and it has a 3" chamber. My wife got really agitated and told me it was time to go. She asked to look at a 12 but he grabbed the 20. So when we got in the truck I tried to tell her he did it because he truely thought the 20 was the best option for her based on his experience. She stated that doesn't matter what he thought and when she asked to look at the 12 he should have handed it to her without hesitation. I agree with her that he handled it wrong. He should have let her look at the gun she asked to and then ask her to look at the 20.

Another story is when she wanted a new 38 super. While at one of the larger retail stores she asked to look at a para in 38 super. The clerk told her with me standing there that she shouldn't waste time with the 38. Ammo is hard to find and expensive and the recoil could possibly be too much for her. She broke out her phone and showed him the pics of the two we already own along with the rest of her 1911's. When he recognized her sti and seen the big group pics he looked and said " oh well you have plenty already, why do you need another?"

So who is right and who is wrong in both situations? I know the customer is always right and they should sell her what she wants but both had valid points. The 20 would have been better for her and no she didn't need another 1911 or 38super but that's beside the point. When someone is ready to spend money let them spend it.

I understand your wife's situation and think she is in the right.

The assumption she (and I make) is that they are making assumptions about the customer based on sex, which gets real annoying, real fast.

It's one thing when a customer comes in with open ended questions and asks for help or makes comments that clearly indicate a level of ignorance on the subject, but someone who comes in with a clear idea of what they want?

If I go into a gun store and I ask to see a specific model and caliber/gauge, then, clearly, I've done some homework. If I can point out a gun on the rack or in the case and I've identified it specifically and not just "Let me see that one", it demonstrates that I am not ignorant of what I am looking at.
And it gets downright infuriating when I ask to see something, specifically, that is not the most common option out there. Too be blunt, if a woman comes in an asks for something a lot of the guys don't have, you can probably safely assume that she knows more than a newb and doesn't need any ones opinion on what she can and cannot handle.

There are definitely some gun store clerks that need to learn to wait and assess their customers rather than make assumptions and some that need a clue bat applied to their heads. Seriously, dude, how many newbie woman do you really think walk into a gun store and head straight for something chambered in .38 Super?
If I had walked in, even if he had handed me the Beretta I asked for first, if he'd tried to push the 20, I'd have likely snapped in his face, flashed the wad of cash I would not be spending in that store, made some snide comments about the 12 gauges I shoot regularly and walked out.

And since when is "need" a consideration when buying guns? I don't "need" even half of what I have, and if I had the cash, I'd be at a LGS right now buying more. :confused:
 
Bluestar, you and my wife would have fun gun shopping together. Most of the gunshops around here know us well enough that this usually only happens when we go out of town. Heck even the local sheriff's dept and a few other local officers come shoot at our range and love it when we have our full gamut of pistols out shooting. They often bring their wife's out so they can shoot with my wife. I've said many times I should open my own shop because many leave her to go order something they just played with.
 
It's been many years since I worked behind a gun counter but even back then I noticed that most of us had but in preferences if not outright prejudices. We would happily sell them whatever they secifically requested, however if shopping we each had something we liked, whether it be a 1911 or GP100 (my preferences), because I liked them, my Co worker might own and use a Beretta 92 and sell more of them because he was familiar with them and liked them. I don't mind when a clerk says thing like, "if you like the Ruger MK III you might like the Browning Buckmark too, maybe even better". I do mind when they say things like "you don't need/want a 1911, you can buy a Glock for less and have twice the bullets and it's a better gun". I have left gun shops and bought elsewhere just for that reason. In th end it is the customer who has to make the choice.
 
I've never had a gun store clerk try to talk me into buying, or not buying, any gun. I did have one very knowledgeable one suggest I take a look at an alternative gun once - no pressure, just a suggestion. I agreed to look at it. Turns out led me to a much nicer gun for the same money.
 
I don't normally like them.

You can't expect everyone to know details about everything they sell, or be able to clearly understand the desires and needs of the customers. There is a level of incompetence, however, and as a test, say that cost doesn't really matter and ask a stupid question like " should I get this kimber 1911 or the lcr?"

Never ask what ammo to use,

A while back I mentioned my bodyguard, and mall ninja told me it was stupid and spent forever telling me about his glock .40 caliber with there extra mags that he hides under a baggy t shirt and carries everywhere.

Iirc, he wouldn't get a cc permit because the cops would know that he had a gun.

Btw, I saw his pistol. Either that, or he had a subway foot long in his pants and a hard back book on the other side.
 
I saw this thread and had to post.
My daughter (5'2" 30yr old that looks 20) has been looking for a semi auto for about 6 months now. She's a small lady and alot of the grips are eith too big or awkward for her to hold. That and she learned to shoot with my 1911 and is finding the other grip angles awkward and wants to keep the 1911 grip angle (but not buy a 1911) so her options are limited.
We went to a "local" Turner's to fondle a few and ran into what I can only describe as a sexist clerk.

The younger clerk helping us was very helpful suggesting different guns with different grips, having her try the fit of each one along with checking her reach to the mag release, recycling lever, slide release etc. I'd say a very helpful clerk over all.

Then there was the older\grumpy looking clerk who hovered 4 ft from my daughter and criticized almost everything she was doing like hand\grip position, the left hand position, she's cycling the slide wrong, don't put your finger on the trigger (she was keeping her finger along the slide but with her small hands she needs to check her reach to the trigger too) and on and on. Its not that he offered kindly advice, he was more rude than anything else. He made her very uncomfortable (the other clerk looked uncomfortable and me too) and I come to find out tonight had her questioning if she wanted a semi auto pistol.

This is a lady that has her own .357 (and shoots my "hot" handloads and 38 plinkers), learned to shoot on my 1911, has shot my Walter PP and P38, a S&W MP 9mm and Glock 40 and has gone thru two NRA training\shooting courses and now she's doubting herself because of him. Not good!

We were supposed to check out a Sig in the am and it took me a while tonight to convince her he was a jerk and to look at it.
So, it looks like we'll put in some more range time to get her confidence back up and hopefully we'll have a better experience tomorrow.

Thanks to the good clerks. I for one think it's good for shooters to get different points of view, suggestions and pointers.
As for the bad ones, well there's other places to shop.
 
CLERKS

I don't browse gun stores often, because most of them around here have the compliment of old crumpies and the clerks only seem to want to chat with them and ignore me.
I'd say the stores are more social clubs than retail establishments, except for the chain stores. Shoot Straight while much maligned around these parts actually has clerks that want customers.
 
what I can only describe as a sexist clerk

My daughter took an interested friend shooting when she was in college, and went to an indoor range attached to a gun shop. She told them she was an experienced shooter helping out a rookie, and repeated herself as needed, but was treated like an ignoramus until she picked up the pistol and shot the middle out of the target. The clerk then said, "You really have shot before, haven't you?"

FWIW, the same kid now has a master's in engineering, and at the end of a meeting in which she participated professionally and asked several highly technical questions, she and another female engineer were asked if they were secretaries for their firm. Some people don't get it, and the worst don't even try.
 
My DIL weighs in at about 110#. Her favorite handguns to shoot at the range are my .44mags and the .460. I'm sure if she went into a gun store to buy one and there was someone standing behind her in line, they would question her choice and wonder why my son and the clerk did not try and talk her out of it.
 
Update: had an excellent clerk at the gun shop. Daughter tried out several semi autos, got some really good tips (I've regretfully taught her all my bad habits), the clerk spent well over 30 minutes helping her and was very patient while i walked her thru all the fit and function checks on all the guns.
She took a 10 minute break to discuss the pros and cons with me and the same clerk helped her do a final comparison between the two finalists and completed the Sig purchase. (To bad they didn't have two, I would have bought one too)

Outstanding service overall.
Now she just has to wait 10 days to pick it up...
 
I had a really irritating time at an academy. The bonehead wouldn't take off the trigger lock.

"how do you expect me to know if I can even fit my hands around it?"

"you have to buy it first."

"it said right on the counter that I can't return it?"

"I cant open it. It's against policy."

"*******!!!!!"

I sent an email and reamed academy fiercely. This was the second time that I had beentold that, but the first time I told him that either he opened the lock or I'd leave and never waste my time there again. If a company won't allow you to handle the gun that you are expected to buy, they are worthless.


What that winds up doing is sending the people to the local gun store to spend an hour feeling the things up, maybe even three or four over a few days, and then, they go to academy and save the $25.
 
That aggravates me about Academy, too. Personally, if I take up the time of a LGS and use their paid-for inventory to make my decision, I reward them for their help and investment with a purchase. That's not to say that price is not considered, but if they are anywhere in the ball park, I reward service, including the service of inventory maintenance.
 
What that winds up doing is sending the people to the local gun store to spend an hour feeling the things up, maybe even three or four over a few days, and then, they go to academy and save the $25.

Scratching my head:confused: So, because the clerk won't let you fondle the gun and work the action: 1) You do this elsewhere; 2) if you like the gun you buy it at Academy anyway; 3) the LGS ends up with a slightly more used gun to sell; and 4) the clerk at Academy didn't have to waste any time unlocking a gun and showing it to you. :confused::confused::confused:

Sounds to me like the business model at Academy works fairly well!

I think gun stores should charge a nominal fee to let people play with an unloaded firearm to decide if they want it or not. Maybe $3-$5 per firearm.
 
Yes, it works well, and it's entirely unethical to remove all responsibility from your own hands into someone else's hands. A doctor who sends a person to another to be diagnosed and then offers to manage medications kind of fits that. Kind of like canadian pharmacies who have staff doctors rubber stamping pre written pads.

Isnt' that just kinda belittling to talk about me "fondling" and playing with a gun and then violating the very principle that I'm talking about? not me. never bought a gun from them, and now I barely even walk through the doors. I don't agree with this policy and it showed me that I don't want to support them. Is this really very different from walking away from a business with a "leave your guns outside" notice posted?

Would you buy a pistol that you haven't even wrapped your hands around? You know it happens. A person has been told to buy a gun. To go to a gun store and feel them until he finds the right one. Walks out of the store with a model number and goes online to the big boxes and goes a few miles out of the way and saves money, while the LGS has spent $10 or more in wages performing unpaid shooter education.

It works really well for academy. No fingerprints on the guns. No risk of a bonehead acidentaly firing one (however ridiculous that idea is). nobody drops one, and they can put a minimum wage drone behind the counter who doesn't have to do anything beyond taking them out of the case and reading the tags.
 
was at cabels and saw the same thing happening, but both the husband and wife both wanted a gun and were giddy like kids. but the clerk talked them down to something more suited. they got something way smaller than what they thought they wanted.
 
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