Gun Show hypocrisy?

I am not saying don't have the show for not looking like a hypocrite.
All I am saying is that there is a tad bit of hyporocy for a gun show to have sign out like that
 
I must ask... why would anyone need a loaded gun at a gun show? Why would anyone want a loaded gun at a gun show? Maybe I'm just thinking of all the gun shows I've been to. Wall to wall people. Hundreds of vendors, and thousands of customers at a big show. Tens of vendors, and hundreds of customers at a small local show.

An A/D, or N/D would undoubtedly hit someone. The venue or promoter should provide adiquate security. I went to a small, local show today. They have an honor system... If you have a firearm... present it unloaded for inspection, and ty-wrap. Or dont. I personally prefer to err of the side of safety.

I dont think it's hypocritical to require patrons to be unloaded at a gun show. I think it's common sense.

I'm curious to know what yall folks think could happen at a gun show that would require the use of DPF. Given the very very limited field of fire.

All that having been said... I also believe that the promotor, or the venue should provide safe re-loading stations available to patrons to load for the street before leaving the protection of the venue.
 
Insurance the boon and bane of our modern world

We don't have shows at our county fairgrounds anymore. Because of the insurance requirements. Nobody ever got hurt, but our local deptuy DA (so we were told) decided that all vendors at the show had to carry a minimum of $1 million liability, for the three days of the show.

ALL Vendors. The T-shirt guy, the hot dog guy, the coin guy, the handmade neclace lady, and of course, all the gun and ammo guys, even if you were not a business, just a collector, buying & selling from a table.

For most of us, the couple hundred dollars that the insurance companies wanted for the policy was more than the profit we expected to make from the show. SO, we don't go.

Now, the shows are at other venues. And ALL firearms (CCW or not) much be safety checked at the door. Period, no exceptions. If you have issues with this, either stay home, or leave your CCW behind when you go in.

I'd rather have the show, and put up with not being armed while inside that not have a show. No right is absolute, and if you aren't willing to be flexible about at least some things, well, I guess your life is going to be pretty...stiff.
 
I owe you an apology, Palmetto-Pride, I thought it was you who subsequently demanded identification of the insurance company.

You did not.

My extreme bad.
 
Mr. Dee: "I must ask... why would anyone need a loaded gun at a gun show? Why would anyone want a loaded gun at a gun show?"

Good questions. I believe that anti-gun activists would ask the same questions, and help make Palmetto's point. Why would any need/want a loaded gun at a . . . . . . fill in the blank. grocery store, gas station, motel on the road, home.
What if an armed criminal with criminal intent pulled a loaded gun for a robbery or worse, at a gun show, and no one could stop him because no one was carrying? I realize that some dealers could load up pretty fast, but it makes one think doesn't it.
 
I can see every ones point of view thanks to all that have responded. Hey I am pro gun show, pro gun and pro gun rights. I do understand the need for the sign, but I will say I think it could be worded in a different way.
 
Mr Mony... Sir;

I'm not suggesting or advocating that anyone go about their personal business unarmed. In fact I suggested that the promoter provide a location so people CAN re-arm for the street before they leave the protection of a gun show.

No... I dont know about your experiences. Mine are mostly from Florida where I have attended many gun show's of all sizes. As a matter of fact I went to a small local show today. Gun shows tend to be populated by people who... well people who have guns. God forbid... what if someone had an A/D, or an N/D at a gun show? How would 250 unorganized armed men and women react? Many would pull their own gun, and be ready to use DPH. One or two may even return fire. How would you react? How would you suggest a person react to hearing a shot behind them and turn to see a seedy looking guy with a gun in his hand? ( just another CCW) How will he react seeing you drawing down on him? IMHO It's a recipe for disaster.

As I stated before... All the gun show's i've ever attented were pretty well crowded. With buyers, browsers, their children, vendors, their children, and staffers and their children. Even if there was a DPF situation... is everyone skilled enough to take a shot in such a crowded place? How does anyone differentiate between the bad actor, and just another CCW?

Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. It's common sense to control who is armed is such a situation. This isnt an argument for anti-gunners. I believe it's proof that Pro gun people can use common sense.

Glenn Dee
 
here's one that i have posted priviously without any responce.

why is it that a florida resident holding a concealed weapons permit is still charged for the quick check /back ground check when the state law states we are exempt?

every dealer /pawn shop charges this disregard to the permit holders.

i feel budget raped!

sewerman
 
Mr Sewerman;

Have you kept up with your origonal thread? I believe that there is a consensus answer already available there. The Florida statute requiring the back ground check, and allowing a permit holder to be waived has expired. It expired when it became federally mandated that all buyers be checked. Go back to the thread you started, and catch up on the replies.

Glenn Dee
 
Those of us in North Carolina do not have to worry about the hypocrisy of such signs at gun shows; our legislature has thoughtfully made concealed carry illegal at events for which admission is charged.
 
gleen dee:
thank you for the insight, my info is from the 2009 site:
The fee for the instant check shall be
$8.00. Exempt from the instant check are licensed dealers, manufacturers,
importers, collectors, persons with a concealed carrying license, law
enforcement, correctional and correctional probation officers.

http://www.nraila.org/Images/us_map.gif

i will educate my further.thnax
 
When it comes to gun shops, gun shows, and ranges a lot of gun owners tend to feel less inhibited and often forget the basics of gun safety.

How many times have you been swept with a muzzle at walmart or the grocery store by someone who pulls out their carry piece? Now how about at a gun shop, shooting range, or gun show?

I don't want every john wayne wannabe and their brother carrying loaded guns at a gunshow constantly pulling them out to try accesories. God forbid a situation arises that requires the use of deadly force and their will a ton of dead bodies from bubba and his boys shooting the place up.

One bad guy with one gun won't kill as many people at a gunshow as 50 people who draw their carry pieces to shoot back.

If shots are fired at a gun show I am getting on the floor and trying to crawl toward the nearest exit.
 
Yes, it is hypocritical in my opinion, but still you have to respect private property, their show, their rules. Perhaps not the best analogy, but it seems to me this is like having a motorcycle show where you couldn't ride your bike in, you had to trailer it and the gas tank has to be empty. I'm going to wager that the number of fatalities related to motorcycles is higher than to CCW permit holders.

The hypocritical part is this: "I can carry safely, but those other guys having guns scares me!" Don't you all see this is exactly the mindset of the people who only want the police and military to have guns? Yes, some people carry who don't know the rules of safety, but does that mean no one should be allowed to? Don't let one bad apple spoil the bunch, that's exactly what leads to more gun laws and restrictions. I'm very disappointed that some fellow TFL members can't see how close their mindset is to the anti-gun crowd's.
 
I'm very disappointed that some fellow TFL members can't see how close their mindset is to the anti-gun crowd's.
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My mindset is that The right to keep and bear arms is an individual right subject to restrictions under the following "X" standard of scrutiny...

And in that analysis, a ban on carrying loaded guns at a gunshow, whether imposed by insurance or government would pass with fllying colours. As would bans at sports arenas, bars and suchlike.

Nothing like a nice series of supreme court decisions to help tone screeching down

Wildihaveover350booksonmysonyreaderAlaska TM
 
The Brady campaign advocates "reasonable" or "common sense" restrictions as well, the problem is that everyone's definition of reasonable differs. How do we decide what it truly reasonable, if it's even possible to reach such a consensus?
 
When it comes to gun shops, gun shows, and ranges a lot of gun owners tend to feel less inhibited and often forget the basics of gun safety.

How many times have you been swept with a muzzle at walmart or the grocery store by someone who pulls out their carry piece? Now how about at a gun shop, shooting range, or gun show?
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I believe there's still a thread discussing this in the General Discussion forum. The issue has come up before and has been beaten to death.

A shop near me had a guy looking at shotguns. For some reason, he'd brought a 12ga shell with him for "fitting" to the gun. He asked to see one, and when nobody was looking, he dropped the shell in the chamber. According to him, "something happened."

"Something" involved a negligent discharge that took out an entire display case and endangered everyone present. This wasn't their first time. People don't do stuff like that at Linens-R-Us or Bowl-O-Rama. They do at gun shops.

The shop now disallows loaded weapons, except for their regulars. Does this mean they're Brady sellouts and anti-2nd Amendment "bigots?" If it does, they've got me fooled, since two of the employees are active NRA recruiters.

The situation is even more dangerous at gun shows, where you've got hundreds of people milling around unsupervised. As I've pointed out, none of us would do something that stupid. The problem is, we're not the only ones at gun shows. It just takes one yokel to make things very dangerous or tragic for everyone.

If there's a situation that results in injury or death, how long do you think it'll be before the local government comes under pressure to refuse a permit for the venue in the future?

I certainly don't like having to disarm for a gun show, but as with many things in life, those of us who are responsible have to pay for those who are not. That's why every nearly consumer product has a warning label of some sort.

Discretion on the part of a venue owner does not equal a tyrannical attack on the 2nd Amendment. Sheesh.
 
Can we drop the rhetoric that implies if you want to discuss a restriction based on evidence of risk, you are definitionally antigun?

The exception proofs the rule. Should 5 year olds be able to open carry full auto guns in Kindergarten?

Or is it that suggesting any restriction at all makes you a bad person?

We have restrictions on speech, etc. We've done this before.
 
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