Gun Registration

[Bud Helms]

This is what I call "frequently wrong, but never in doubt."

[Lipless]That's a LOT better than the one I had.[/Lipless]

I had "Too right to be wrong." 'Goes along with being illinformed and strongly opinionated.

 

[Fleabag]

"In 2012 the canadian Government (Conservative Party) lived up to it's
promise and dismantalled the long gun registry.
It had been in place or 16 years and cost taxpayers 1 BILLION dollars. The
total number of guns registered was 7 million.
The number of crimes committed with rifle and shotguns has always been low.
So the government decided to stop wasting money on this Noble experiment.

However - Handguns are still registered and their use is restricted to use at a approved gun club only.

This is the first time in 50 years where gun control was rolled back in Canada!!

Tell your Pro Registration people that CANADA CUT BACK GUN REGISTRATION"

Ilegal guns are not registered or they stoped being registered when it fell in the hands of a criminal.

 

[Ben Towe]

FYI - lots of my non-gun owning friends think that all guns are registered now. It's often difficult to explain that they are not registered. Many also think that is easy for the government to track gun ownership. They don't understand the FFL sales record system or the difficulty in tracking a gun sold 20 years ago.

There is a HUGE percentage of gun owners who believe that all guns bought at a gun store are registered. I can't count the number of times I've heard someone say they wanted to buy used from someone so it wouldn't be "in their name". These aren't criminals, just regular people who are deathly afraid that Obama & Co. are coming for their guns.

 

[ScottRiqui]

There is a HUGE percentage of gun owners who believe that all guns bought at a gun store are registered. I can't count the number of times I've heard someone say they wanted to buy used from someone so it wouldn't be "in their name". These aren't criminals, just regular people who are deathly afraid that Obama & Co. are coming for their guns.

I may be among the ill-informed, then. Or maybe I'm just confusing "registration" with "trackability". But when I buy a gun at a gun store, isn't my name then associated with that gun in the dealer's bound book? I agree that's not the same thing as a statewide or nationwide "registration", but it does connect the gun to me, so I can see how someone might want to acquire a gun via a face-to-face private transaction in order to avoid any formal record of ownership.

 

[BigD_in_FL]

Since many wanting registration often mention cars, this was on another site - I apologize if it is already on a thread here - but it is a good read:

I keep hearing people say they want to regulate guns the way we regulate cars. They don't really mean that, of course. What they mean is they want to make it acceptable to find more ways to intrude on the right to keep and bear arms.

I propose instead, we regulate cars the way we regulate guns. Let's start:

To buy or operate a standard car, one will have to be 18 years old. Under that age, adult supervision will be mandatory. This means the adult must be in the vehicle with the underage driver.

To buy a sports car, you will have to be 21. A "Sports car" will be defined as any combination of any two of the following: 2 doors instead of 4, spoked rims not requiring hubcaps, aerodynamic effects such as spoilers or air dams, a wheelbase under 100 inches, a manual transmission, a curb weight under 3000 lbs, fiberglass or other non-metal construction, or painted logos.

For every purchase, you will have to fill out a questionnaire confirming you're a US citizen, do not use drugs or abuse alcohol, have never had a conviction for alcohol related incidents or reckless driving. Lying on this form will be punishable by 10 years in prison and/or a $10,000 fine.

New cars will only be purchased from Federal Automobile Licensees who must provide fingerprints, proof of character, secure storage for all vehicles, and who must call the Federal Bureau of Motor Vehicles to verify your information before purchase. They may approve or decline or delay the sale. If they decline, you may appeal the decision in writing to a review board. If they delay, it becomes an approval automatically after 10 days. However, the dealer may decline to complete such a sale in case of later problems.

Additionally, the purchase of more than two cars in a given year will require signing an understanding that buying cars in order to resell them without a license is a crime. There is an 11% federal excise tax on all new vehicles, plus any state or local tax.

Federal Automobile Licensees must agree to submit to 24/7/365, unannounced, unscheduled searches of their entire homes, businesses and any relates properties and personal effects to be named later.

Then you will be eligible to take your drivers' license test to determine your eligibility to operate on the street. Rules will vary by state, with some states requiring proof of need to own a vehicle for business purposes, and up to 40 hours of professional education. Also, not all states will accept all licenses. You will need to keep track of this information. Additionally, speed limits will not be posted. It is your responsibility to research the driving laws in each area you wish to travel through. Some communities may not allow out of state vehicles, sports cars, or even any vehicles at all. Violation of these laws will result in confiscation and destruction of your vehicle by crushing.

To have a turbocharger, supercharger (External Engine Compression Devices) or a muffler will require an application to the Federal Bureau of Motor Vehicles. A $2000 tax stamp will be required for these High Performance Vehicles. Your request must also be signed by the local chief law enforcement officer, and you must provide fingerprints. If approved in 10-16 weeks, you will be responsible for keeping your High Performance Vehicle in secure storage, and request permission in writing to take it out of state. You will need to carry this documentation with you. There are 13 states that do not allow possession of High Performance Vehicles. Be sure you are aware of those laws before planning your trips. (But really, what do you need such a vehicle for anyway? Who really needs to drive that fast? You must willingly accept and adhere to the socially accepted idea that you are inherently evil for merely possessing such a fast, high powered automobile.)

Additionally, superchargers and turbochargers must be manufactured before June 1, 1986. They may be sold and refitted by a FAL who also has a Special Occupational Tax license authorizing him to work on these. New superchargers, however, are a violation of federal law, except for use by the police or military, or specific government contractors. Expect to pay $15-$30,000 each for these items. Mufflers will only cost from $250-$1000, plus the $2000 stamp. However, once the muffler is damaged, it must be disposed of by cutting it into three pieces. Failure to do this may result in your family going through the next decade only knowing you in a prison jumpsuit and all your bank accounts seized and never replenished.

Imported sports cars will be prohibited. You may purchase other items from foreign manufacturers, but your automobile is in a special class of prohibition due to its inherently evil and sinister nature. The frames may be imported, cut into three pieces, and reassembled with US made engines and suspensions, as long as 60% of the parts are American. Shortly, though, the Transmission Loophole will be closed. The purpose of allowing imports is for spare parts, not to build more destructive "race vehicles.” Transmissions will have to be US made.

Repairs may only be conducted by a licensed FAL, who will send a truck to retrieve your vehicle. It must be a flatbed type truck, winch/dolly trucks are not allowed, under 10/$10,000 penalty. You may work on your own vehicle, but any repair that exceeds emission or performance standards will be subject to federal criminal charges. And violation of this reasonable regulation could result in not only your imprisonment and the confiscation of your assets but imprisonment of any employee or family member who was insane enough to repair your “race car” for you.

Be aware that an existing HPV may have multiple HP Features. A new HPV will require a license for each feature you wish to add to it—one each for muffler or external engine compression device. And you must request and receive, in writing, permission from the federal, state and local governing authorities prior to making such modifications.

Converting a standard car to a sports car will require payment of a $2000 tax, even if no HP features are added. However, if an FAL/SOT does the conversion on a new frame before the vehicle leaves their premises, it will only be a $50 tax. You will need to carry this documentation in the glove box at all times, the mere failure of which alone can result in an arrest and possible conviction.

There is discussion of closing the Car Dealer Loophole, through which private individuals sell cars to friends without going through an FAL. It is important we have these background checks. Surveys show criminals prefer to buy unlicensed to get around their legal liabilities so they can commit crimes in stolen vehicles, which evidence has proven for many years to be true.

Some vehicle law convictions will result in loss of your driving privileges forever. This includes reckless operation, drunk driving, an incorrect bumper height or attachment, or the wrong type of exhaust. Collisions may also result in permanent loss of driving, if injury occurs and negligence is proven. In addition, any felony conviction of any kind--even tax evasion--will mean permanent loss of your driving privileges. In these cases, it will even be illegal to ride or sit in a friend's car.

There is also discussion of prohibiting brightly colored vehicles. Vehicles are transportation, not toys, and should not be marketed in a way that suggests they are intended for casual use. It is important that everyone be aware of the dangerous nature of cars.

In the future, we may have to consider large displacement engines (anything over 2.5 liters) and transmissions with more than three speeds as being High Performance Items to be added to the federal registry. There will be a window during which you can register your items for $2000 each, provided you meet the background check. Otherwise, you will have to immediately surrender them to an FAL/SOT to dispose of on your behalf. Operating an unlicensed HPV after this date will result in confiscation and destruction of the vehicle, and the 10/$10,000 punishment.

These laws and regulations are due to drunk drivers, reckless drivers and other criminals. The automobile community should be glad it is allowed to exist at all, given all the deaths and environmental damage caused by these vehicles.

The president said today that he strongly supports your right to own and drive basic, standard vehicles for farm use and carpooling. But he and many other people have made it clear that eventually – maybe this month – we need to cease all manufacturing of such high powered automobiles for the civilian market.

Eventually, we need to move away from the notion that owning and operating a vehicle is a right and entitlement, and limit it to people with a proven, bona fide professional need. There are plenty of trains and buses for normal people. This is how most civilized nations are moving and is not a violation of your right to travel.

©2013 by Michael Z. Williamson www.MichaelZWilliamson.com
Permission to share granted for non profit purposes as long as this notice is included.

Start showing something like this to those folks and maybe they will start to see the insanity

 

[Ben Towe]

I may be among the ill-informed, then. Or maybe I'm just confusing "registration" with "trackability". But when I buy a gun at a gun store, isn't my name then associated with that gun in the dealer's bound book? I agree that's not the same thing as a statewide or nationwide "registration", but it does connect the gun to me, so I can see how someone might want to acquire a gun via a face-to-face private transaction in order to avoid any formal record of ownership.

It does, but it isn't registered to you, which means the government can find out that you bought it perhaps, but not whether you actually still have it, which is a big difference.

 

[Tom Servo]

I agree that's not the same thing as a statewide or nationwide "registration", but it does connect the gun to me

It can connect the gun to you, but certain steps have to be followed, and only on that particular gun.

Under the current system, if a Glock 19, serial #ABC123 shows up at a crime scene, the ATF can issue a trace request. They'll find that Glock shipped it to Tactical Ninja Gun Supply on January 4th, 2007. They'll call TNGS, who will inform them that they shipped the gun to Joe Bob's Tackle and Gun Shop on January 29th, 2007. The ATF then contacts Joe Bob and asks him to pull the 4473 for that specific gun. Joe Bob goes through his records and finds that he sold it to Bob Periwinkle on February 3rd.

That's the current system. Registration is different. Under a registration scheme, all of Bob Periwinkle's guns would be in a central database, under which an agency could simply pull up his name and find everything he owns.

The current system makes any sort of confiscation scheme very unworkable. A central registry would make it child's play.

 

[2ndsojourn]

^^^^ Tom, unless it's purchased in NJ. We have to get a permit from the local PD. A 4-part carbon copy form. The top copy goes to the NJ State Police; the yellow goes to local PD; I get the pink and the seller keeps the yellow. I have to believe that both the state & local PD use that for some sort of registry but I'm not 100% certain.

 

[YankeeSpirit76]

I have written to O'reilly numerous times taking him to task for his stand on registration. There is only one reason for registration...confiscation!
Say you go buy an AR today, register it and, tomorrow, you go crazy and shoot up a mall. What exactly did registering it do to prevent that crime?

Both New York and California have talked of confiscation. When all the guns are registered, guess what's going to happen the next time there is a shooting that outrages everyone.

 

[Ben Towe]

Tom, unless it's purchased in NJ. We have to get a permit from the local PD. A 4-part carbon copy form. The top copy goes to the NJ State Police; the yellow goes to local PD; I get the pink and the seller keeps the yellow. I have to believe that both the state & local PD use that for some sort of registry but I'm not 100% certain.

Not trying answer for Tom, but certain states do indeed have registration but there is none on the Federal level.

 

[Tom Servo]

I have to believe that both the state & local PD use that for some sort of registry but I'm not 100% certain.

As Ben mentioned, that's a state-level registry. Whether or not it's constitutional is a matter that's yet to be decided. In the meantime, we really need to work against having something like that on the national level.