I just put my 8 year old in a school where teachers are required to have and carry guns. Students must make at least one trip to a range each week and shoot as well. Students must pray in school and can discuss God. Also the student is protected in class with a security system, cell phone and great lunches. We home school. Try it, you'll like it.
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Clap clap clap clap clap....
Good for you !
Is he/she ever late for school ?
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Good for you !
Is he/she ever late for school ?
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jeffelkins
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Both my grandkids are home-schooled. It's a wonderful option if the parents are commited and enthusiastic.
While I wasn't home schooled, my father taught me many things that weren't covered in school. Now, I realize the pride he must have felt when I mastered something he was teaching me.
In a way I was home schooled. He was teaching me to read when I was four years old. No pre-school then.
In a way I was home schooled. He was teaching me to read when I was four years old. No pre-school then.
You know, when my little one starts school in a couple of years, this is something that I'm most worried about.
Does anyone realize that there have been more school shootings AFTER they passed this "school safe zone" thing than before. Any time some nut goes off the deep end, all he has to do is go to some place where guns are not allowed and start shooting -- knowing full well that there will be no one to shoot back at him.
I think that if our government is going to bar adults from being able to carrying guns in certain places, then those places should have armed guards present to prevent the people there from being sitting ducks.
Does anyone realize that there have been more school shootings AFTER they passed this "school safe zone" thing than before. Any time some nut goes off the deep end, all he has to do is go to some place where guns are not allowed and start shooting -- knowing full well that there will be no one to shoot back at him.
I think that if our government is going to bar adults from being able to carrying guns in certain places, then those places should have armed guards present to prevent the people there from being sitting ducks.
I read somewhere that in Israel every school must have an armed adult present. Can anyone confirm this?
Why not petition to have a similar law in America? Oh sure, the antis would scream murder, but I'm willing to bet that many parents would support the measure if they believed their kids would be safer.
Erik
Why not petition to have a similar law in America? Oh sure, the antis would scream murder, but I'm willing to bet that many parents would support the measure if they believed their kids would be safer.
Erik
If the head of the ATF (can't remember name, now heads FEMA) had had his way, yes the law could have been interepreted to mean that any gun within 1000 ft of a HOME school would have been illegal.
You would basically have been a criminal by driving down just about any street with a gun in the trunk. I believe we have Ron Paul to thank for setting that straight.
You would basically have been a criminal by driving down just about any street with a gun in the trunk. I believe we have Ron Paul to thank for setting that straight.
glockguy45
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FUD: Ever wonder if the Gov't is behind these school shootings?
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Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
FWIW,
On the average, home schoolers consistantly score higher accedemically, (sp? pleese xcuus me. Im a produck of pubic skrools), and do far better socially. Why?:
1. Who cares more about your kids? You, or a stranger who has 35 students that change every year? Parental involvement is a key factor in many studies that I've read on the subject.
2. You know your own children and can offer more personal help and incentive in areas in which help is needed.
3. Which child will more likely learn appropriate adult behavior?
a) The child who models his behavior after those who are thrown into a kaotic system with other children of all backgrounds and behavior?
b) The child who models his behavior after responsible adults who love him and pass on appropriate values?
When the time comes, I plan to homeschool as well. Even though it might mean living at a lower income level than we might if my wife were working outside of the home.
Pluspinc,
I'm glad that you are doing it. Hope that others will consider the benefits and be able to do likewise.
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
On the average, home schoolers consistantly score higher accedemically, (sp? pleese xcuus me. Im a produck of pubic skrools), and do far better socially. Why?:
1. Who cares more about your kids? You, or a stranger who has 35 students that change every year? Parental involvement is a key factor in many studies that I've read on the subject.
2. You know your own children and can offer more personal help and incentive in areas in which help is needed.
3. Which child will more likely learn appropriate adult behavior?
a) The child who models his behavior after those who are thrown into a kaotic system with other children of all backgrounds and behavior?
b) The child who models his behavior after responsible adults who love him and pass on appropriate values?
When the time comes, I plan to homeschool as well. Even though it might mean living at a lower income level than we might if my wife were working outside of the home.
Pluspinc,
I'm glad that you are doing it. Hope that others will consider the benefits and be able to do likewise.
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
FUD, you're absolutely correct.
Klebold & Harris, Kinkle, and all the other scumbags knew there would be no armed resistance to their plans.
Nearly every criminal believes that he/she will get away with their crimes.
Otherwise, they wouldn't try it. (The obvious exception are crimes in which the perpetrator has decided in advance to commit suicide.)
So, of all the crimes in our country, I'd guess 99%+ were committed by persons who thought they'd never see a day in court.
And, that is why most penalties are not deterents to crime.
If you don't think you'll get caught, you won't be afraid of 20-Life.
To stop crime, especially violent crime, we have to make the potential criminal fear that he may not live through the attack.
Only then will violent crime decrease.
$.02, -Kframe
Klebold & Harris, Kinkle, and all the other scumbags knew there would be no armed resistance to their plans.
Nearly every criminal believes that he/she will get away with their crimes.
Otherwise, they wouldn't try it. (The obvious exception are crimes in which the perpetrator has decided in advance to commit suicide.)
So, of all the crimes in our country, I'd guess 99%+ were committed by persons who thought they'd never see a day in court.
And, that is why most penalties are not deterents to crime.
If you don't think you'll get caught, you won't be afraid of 20-Life.
To stop crime, especially violent crime, we have to make the potential criminal fear that he may not live through the attack.
Only then will violent crime decrease.
$.02, -Kframe
The 8 year old is easier to teach than some students. He shoots well also. His first shots were featured on a national TV talk show in January. The kid can shoot. I gave him an A in "shooting." Shooting is a required topic and we teach him REAL unaltered undoctored history to boot. You can imagine our approach on the constitution.
pluspinc, I was home schooled from after 4th grade until college, you've made a great decision! One bit of advise, assign your kid to learn about things (on his own) which you have no particular knowledge of or interest in. If he has to explain thing to you, he'll end up understanding how to learn & think, skills that public schools aim to supress.
"Know the stillness of freedom,
Where there is no more striving"
- The Dhamapadah
- Buddha 563-483 B.C.
Tony.
"Know the stillness of freedom,
Where there is no more striving"
- The Dhamapadah
- Buddha 563-483 B.C.
Tony.
An addendum to Tony III's post.
It is also good to learn about stuff you're not interested in, or stuff you don't like.
Even though you may be home-schooling now, at some point your child may go to college.
In college you end up being assigned essays and research projects about stuff you just couldn't care less about.
It will be easier to adapt to that if you've done it before (ie: in home-school).
Another thing is to assign a project in which the student needs to take a position opposite their own.
If you're anti-abortion, have them research and defend the pro-choice stance.
It won't be really fun, but you can learn alot about your own beliefs by researching those that go against your values.
Also, a student can become more firm in their beliefs by understanding what the contrasting views are all about.
And, in the case of "gun-control" the student will be better equipped to debate the foolishness of it if he/she knows all sides to the issue.
Just my $.02, -Kframe
It is also good to learn about stuff you're not interested in, or stuff you don't like.
Even though you may be home-schooling now, at some point your child may go to college.
In college you end up being assigned essays and research projects about stuff you just couldn't care less about.
It will be easier to adapt to that if you've done it before (ie: in home-school).
Another thing is to assign a project in which the student needs to take a position opposite their own.
If you're anti-abortion, have them research and defend the pro-choice stance.
It won't be really fun, but you can learn alot about your own beliefs by researching those that go against your values.
Also, a student can become more firm in their beliefs by understanding what the contrasting views are all about.
And, in the case of "gun-control" the student will be better equipped to debate the foolishness of it if he/she knows all sides to the issue.
Just my $.02, -Kframe
Pluspinc,
You've done a good thing for your child. There are some fine posts here that offered you much more practical advice than I could. I have a suggestion though. And it's about socializing.
Kids in public/private schools get to experience group dynamics first hand. See the bullies in action. See other kids form alliances. See rejection in choosing teams for a game in the playground. See how a teacher's pet sucks up to a teacher.
These are experiences hard to duplicate in the home. I like home schooling. But I need to do something that shows the kids social interactions in large groups.
Here's what I have so far...
a) take the kid to social functions. Show him how other people interact. Lead by example.
b) tape some teeny bopper shows, edit the bully parts, and show those in a lesson. TV's still not for vegetating.
c) Sign the kid up for boy scouts, salvation army, family reunions, block parties...
What can I plan to teach a home-schooled kid to prepare for the unpleasant stuff of social interactions? Police Ride-along... At what age?
This qualifies as planning the syllabus for home-schooling, folks please join in.
yy.
You've done a good thing for your child. There are some fine posts here that offered you much more practical advice than I could. I have a suggestion though. And it's about socializing.
Kids in public/private schools get to experience group dynamics first hand. See the bullies in action. See other kids form alliances. See rejection in choosing teams for a game in the playground. See how a teacher's pet sucks up to a teacher.
These are experiences hard to duplicate in the home. I like home schooling. But I need to do something that shows the kids social interactions in large groups.
Here's what I have so far...
a) take the kid to social functions. Show him how other people interact. Lead by example.
b) tape some teeny bopper shows, edit the bully parts, and show those in a lesson. TV's still not for vegetating.
c) Sign the kid up for boy scouts, salvation army, family reunions, block parties...
What can I plan to teach a home-schooled kid to prepare for the unpleasant stuff of social interactions? Police Ride-along... At what age?
This qualifies as planning the syllabus for home-schooling, folks please join in.
yy.
From one home schooling parent to another, you made a great decision! YY, don't worry about the socialization thing. Home schooled kids have better social skills than their public schooled peers. I wouldn't want my kids "socialized" by the other kids in my neighborhood! As for the gun free school zone law prohibiting guns in your home, this was tried in Texas a couple of years ago. The feds lost.
So, what are you doing for math? Take a look:
MathWork worksheets
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Those who carried materials did their work with one hand and held a weapon in the other, and each of the builders wore his sword at his side as he worked.
Nehemiah 4:17,18
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So, what are you doing for math? Take a look:
MathWork worksheets
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Those who carried materials did their work with one hand and held a weapon in the other, and each of the builders wore his sword at his side as he worked.
Nehemiah 4:17,18
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The kid is giving me a PHD on Pokemon cards for one thing. But the world via his eyes is an interesting place.
Latest development is we got a visitor from a Child Protection Investigator. The school "reported us" as soon as we sent them the mandated state forms that we were home schooling. We are learning schools can be very vendictive when you take this move and with meetings we had at the school they knew what I did for a living and they almost curled into a fetal position when I said "guns." Here we go me thinks.........
Latest development is we got a visitor from a Child Protection Investigator. The school "reported us" as soon as we sent them the mandated state forms that we were home schooling. We are learning schools can be very vendictive when you take this move and with meetings we had at the school they knew what I did for a living and they almost curled into a fetal position when I said "guns." Here we go me thinks.........
plusp, The problem is that you didn't lay down the proper ground work first. My parents had severely beat on the school board & administratiors for years, & they offered no stay. My sister & I simply didn't show up for school, we informed them of nothing. (being in a state with lax laws helps) We were NEVER contacted in any way whatsoever! No forms, letters, tests, calls... nothing! I'm sure that they danced with joy when they realized that our family was out of their hair.
good luck
"Know the stillness of freedom,
Where there is no more striving"
- The Dhamapadah
- Buddha 563-483 B.C.
Tony.
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good luck
"Know the stillness of freedom,
Where there is no more striving"
- The Dhamapadah
- Buddha 563-483 B.C.
Tony.
[This message has been edited by Tony III (edited February 25, 2000).]
pluspinc, your visitors . . ouch!!
Your profile says you're in Minnesota. Are you plugged into the a support group there? I understand that there's a strong network of homeschoolers in your state. One of the state-wide organizations is
Minnesota Assoc. of Christian Home Educators (MACHE)
Box 32308
Fridley MN 55432
(612) 717-9070
Conference, April 14-15, 2000, St. Paul
mache@isd.net http://www.mache.org/
Their web site is quite comprehensive, including hs laws in your state, legislative alerts and helpful information on getting started homeschooling.
They (or another group in your state) might be able to help with advice on how best to resolve your conflict with the p.s. -- with you coming out a winner. We must all hang together or we most assuredly will hang seperately.
-- Denise
Your profile says you're in Minnesota. Are you plugged into the a support group there? I understand that there's a strong network of homeschoolers in your state. One of the state-wide organizations is
Minnesota Assoc. of Christian Home Educators (MACHE)
Box 32308
Fridley MN 55432
(612) 717-9070
Conference, April 14-15, 2000, St. Paul
mache@isd.net http://www.mache.org/
Their web site is quite comprehensive, including hs laws in your state, legislative alerts and helpful information on getting started homeschooling.
They (or another group in your state) might be able to help with advice on how best to resolve your conflict with the p.s. -- with you coming out a winner. We must all hang together or we most assuredly will hang seperately.
-- Denise