Gun owners tend to do comparatively well under fascism

Has the U.S. government adopted enough fascist principles & behavior to be labeled?

  • No, how can you speak ill of the "leader," especially in "wartime?"

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    32
As the federal government continues it's insatiable lust for power, the terms we hear thrown around a lot are "nazi" and "fascist." Curiously, gun owners tend to do comparatively well under fascism. The Nazi weapons law actually loosened some gun restrictions (at least if you were lucky enough to be a "pure blooded" German citizen). We likewise, have seen some loosening of a few federal gun laws (the aw ban expiration even though bush opposed it's demise, and national ccw for some retired govt employees). Also like the Nazi state, there is has been a corresponding yanking of certain rights. Privacy always gets obliterated under fascism. A president who is so drunken with power that he wiretapps without warrants when getting warrants is relatively easy, would have been right at home in 1930s Germany. This time the rights yanking is not so focused against a race. Hitler used a high profile event (the burning of the Reichstag) to make a dangerous power grab with his "enabling act." The German government's official story of who started the Reichstag fire turned out to be completely bogus and only designed to unify the "homeland" under it's leader, and to justify war. Likewise, the U.S. government's official version of 9/11 is so full of nonsense, contradictions, and outright impossibilities that a "commission" was "needed" to ignore most of the evidence and set the government's bogus version in stone. The burning of our Reichstag on 9/11 was immediately used to justify the emotionally named "patriot" act and suspend habeas corpus. Eerily similar to what Hitler did. As if all this wasn't enough, 9/11 was used to justify a war against a NON THREAT nation (Iraq). Poland was no real threat to Adolf either, but amazingly, the "patriotic" Germans went along.

Since most bush supporters just ignore things and call everyone "liberals," "unpatriotic," or "soft on Osama" who oppose "the leader," I really don't expect much from them.

Gun owners have fared fairly well under bush (most of whom that support him sound naively confident when you talk to them), just like most of the German gun owners did. The problem with fascism, is it doesn't stop until the host nation is leveled. I shudder at how many americans arrogantly say "yea, but no one is around to take us down like the allies did to Germany." I forget how few americans are watching as Russia deploys several brand new Topol-M MIRV capable ICBMs every month. I forget that most americans are totally unaware (even though is was front page for a day several years ago) about Russia's city sized bunker under Yamantau mountan that is hardened enough to produce nuclear missiles DURING a war.

There IS one huge difference between 1930s Germany and the U.S. government: Hitler really WAS the man in charge. Bush is plenty arrogant on his own, but it's his globalist handlers that are deeply dangerous to liberty, to this country, and the world.
 
This post is semantically null. For those of you with BDS that means it has no internal logic to it what so ever!! :confused:
 
That's an awfully big chip on your shoulder...

I noticed that your post appeared before I finished the poll. Whatever you do, DON'T look up :D

This post is semantically null. For those of you with BDS that means it has no internal logic to it what so ever!!
Why hide behind the intellectual sounding words and the acronym? Formulate a substantive response already or why bother? (By the way, saying my post has "no internal logic," even though it's a nonsensical statement, seems to convey that the writer is frustrated because he can't find a way to twist my words for his own purposes.)
 
Just noticing that your poll really has only two options:
1) The gov is Nazi, or almost Nazi
2) Bush is sent from heaven

I'm exaggerating, of course, but what kind of poll is this? What if I don't agree to either of your options?
 
I don't even know where to begin dismantling this screed. I suppose the beginning is as good a place as any.

As the federal government continues it's insatiable lust for power, the terms we hear thrown around a lot are "nazi" and "fascist."
Governments don't lust, people do. Nobody here "throws around" the words nazi or fascist when speaking of the government (or those who lust for power) because doing so would cause one to lose a great deal of credibility and be labelled a fear-monger.

Curiously, gun owners tend to do comparatively well under fascism. The Nazi weapons law actually loosened some gun restrictions (at least if you were lucky enough to be a "pure blooded" German citizen).
I don't know enough about this to comment, but I don't see how it applies to the United States since we do not have a fascist government.

We likewise, have seen some loosening of a few federal gun laws (the aw ban expiration even though bush opposed it's demise, and national ccw for some retired govt employees).
Name another gun law that has been loosened at the federal level. One law does not a movement make. And your example of national CCW for "some retired govt employees" is misassigned. Are they the one's who "lust for power"? Are they retired fascists? I thought you said that gun owners do well under fascism - these folks aren't ordinary gun owners.

Also like the Nazi state, there is has been a corresponding yanking of certain rights. Privacy always gets obliterated under fascism.
I won't argue that some rights have been abridged, but that's not quite "yanked" now is it? I am opposed to many of the provisions of the Patriot Act, but comparing the United States to Nazi Germany will get you nowere in a debate.

A president who is so drunken with power that he wiretapps without warrants when getting warrants is relatively easy, would have been right at home in 1930s Germany.
Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter - all recorded converstions without warrants. Again, comparing the president to Hitler will get you nowere in a debate.

This time the rights yanking is not so focused against a race.
Again, I reject your pairing with Nazi Germany. This statement is another attempt to make a correlation that doesn't exist.

.<sigh>.

You know, I'm already tired of this. I can sum up your post like this:

Bush = Hitler
Republicans = Nazis
yada yada yada
YAWN!
:rolleyes:
:barf:

How would you have handled the aftermath of September 11, 2001?
 
Interesting Antipitas...except...

...from your link:

There is a widely recognized codicil that any such deliberate invocation of Godwin's Law will be unsuccessful.



Just noticing that your poll really has only two options:
1) The gov is Nazi, or almost Nazi
2) Bush is sent from heaven

Option 4 doesn't even imply that bush is sent from heaven, just that he's [allegedly] protecting us.

You know, I'm already tired of this. I can sum up your post like this:

Bush = Hitler
Republicans = Nazis
yada yada yada

For having definitely read my post, that summation has some denial in it. Denial leads to ADDING things I didn't say, such as the "Republicans = Nazis" line. You are so incredibly PARTISAN that you're putting on display what the main problem is in this country: the fake two party system and people who defend it when they defend "their team."

If you can drop the team mentality and re read my post, you'll notice that I'm discussing various 1. principles of fascism, 2. the U.S. government, and 3. the current occupant of the white house who has accelerated the adoption of those principles (at the direction of his handlers).
 
"Since most bush supporters"

I like azaleas, particularly the red ones. Oh, you mean President Bush. Your shift key must be stuck. My mistake. Nevermind.

John
 
azredhawk44 said:
That's an awfully big chip on your shoulder...
And his poll forces one to choose between extremes that border on the ridiculous. In the choices presented, there isn't much of a gray area between militant activism and total (implied) naivete. Putting "leader" and "wartime" in quotes is a particularly nice touch.

But I don't know what I expected. I've been accused of being a social elitist/government agent by this poster, and that was for liking HK products.
 
How dare you speak unpatriotically of mein Fuhrer! I will sic the ATFSS on you swinehund!

All those who question the logic of increased security are traitors, deserving only of a bullet to the brain!

All those who believe that America can ever become a fascist country are dissidents!

Must... continue... to cling... to the tattered notion that America is still freer then any other country and therefore not take any action to stop the gradual slipping away of freedoms...

It will all be allright won't it? You're an alarmist I say!

It could never happen here, right?
 
lol, Cobray.

"It would not be difficult, mein Fuhrer! Nuclear reactors could... heh... I'm sorry, Mr. President..."

MasterPieceArms.com said:
Option 4 doesn't even imply that bush is sent from heaven, just that he's [allegedly] protecting us.
Already arguing over phraseology, are we? And this helps your original point... how, exactly?
 
The poll and some comments indicate that some need to dry behind their ears, and then pay attention to how the world operates when they get out of high school.
Jerry
 
Ah contraire MPA.com!

Let's see, in your opening post, you used the word, "nazi" 3 times. As was "Hitler" and "fascist." "fascism was used twice. "Adolf" was used once. Your appeal to emotion is a false argument.

Also from the link:
Although the law does not specifically mention it, there is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.

Meaning of course, that this discussion ended before it started... Because it was invoked by none other than yourself.
 
Antipitas, why don't you spend this energy discussing the topic at hand? I went through this thread and counted the "responses" that have little to zip to do with the topic. Do you know what it came up to? A quick run through turned up ELEVEN posts that frankly come off looking like avoidance posts. Like the writer doesn't want to touch the subject for fear of taking a stand and instead just wants to stall (I didn't count Cobray's 2nd post because he was responding, and his first post was on topic as well as right on).

Anyway, antipitas, you are spinning trying to get traction with the world's weakest point based on something you read on wikipedia. Yea no kidding, the initial post mentioned Hitler, Nazi, and Fascist. Will your next post inform me that water is indeed wet? You've spun yourself into a corner where you're arguing that fascism shouldn't be discussed at all, because once it is, the discussion is over (in your mind) :rolleyes: . Since I committed the sin of STARTING a discussion dealing with fascism and nazis, your incredible wit declares that it "was over before it started." Ha ha, ever so funny, now may we move on antipitas?

Who knows what this means:

Your appeal to emotion is a false argument
Talk about a vague accusation that goes nowhere. Man I tried. I looked through my rather dry, discussion based posts for that "appeal to emotion" you're talking about.

I know I know. The name of the game is diversion. When you can't win with logic, facts, and truth, deflect, evade, and divert.
 
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