Gun Owners are worthless..TRT web page to shut down

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robnoel

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NOTICE: TRT web page to shut down!

Please note as web master of the TRTeam.com web page I am sorry to say that I will shut down this web site effective the end of the week in other words their will be no further updates "sorry".... the reason and it's my personal opinion most of the so called "Patriots" are sunshine "Patriots" you don't really care about your country or in Freedom and Liberty or those that gave their lives for freedom ..... sorry to sound so cynical however after spending thousands of dollars many hours I came to the realization this weekend at the MMM convention when only a few hundred Coloradians showed up ....(according to all reports their are 1 million gun owners in the Denver area so the showing was a joke) ....I also now feel that the majority of gun owners will be more than willing to hand in thier guns when asked to do so...most gun owners are all talk and no action.......I did not come to this point without some experiance .....I have seen this same apathy in two other countrys that are now run by communist's......I wish those of you who have supported the TRT all the best.......I guess their were just more important things to do this weekend.....like football!

Regards
Robby NoelZ
 
Ok. I counted to 10.

It's that red hair. :)

[This message has been edited by Colombe (edited September 17, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>...I came to the realization this weekend at the MMM convention when only a few hundred Coloradians showed up ....[/quote]
No offense, but a lot of us spent all day Mother's Day at that. How many marches is MMM going to do? If they do it every quarter or so, the media loses interest.

Just talking to one fence-sitter for ten minutes could do more good than spending all day at a rally that no one even knew about. Sure, Denver might be the biggest city in Colorado, but there are a lot of others.

How about spreading the wealth, so to speak? Have a rally in Denver, then Colorado Springs, Boulder, Pueblo, etc. That would make it a lot easier for people to go to, and if it's only in their town once a year or so, they will make more of an effort to attend. It's kind of hard for some people to make it to Denver. Just a suggestion FWIW.

Anyone wants to do one in Co.Springs, let me know, I'll help set it up. I'm sure the LPEP and PPFC, etc. would be all for it too.


[This message has been edited by CindyH (edited September 18, 2000).]
 
Sorry to hear Robby.

If someone would organize something in MA, I would definitely attend. Everyone here feels pretty locked down.

These laws really screw with freedom.

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"Get rid of that nickel plated sissy pistol and get yourself a Glock" - Tommy Lee Jones
 
there are so many "groups" of gun owner org's.
i support trt, but there are those out there who do not, but are major gun rights donator's.
yes alot of us do little or nothing at all, but some of use do, without asking for recognition.
my daughter and myself spent mother's day at the SAS rally in denver, she mc'd it.
while across town at the mmm there were more gun owners protesting the mmm, then were at the pro-gun rally!
had everyone who went to the mmm to protest came to the SAS rally we would have had at least another 100 or so more bodies. would have looked even better in the press.
also there sre some gun owners as well as ffl's out there who would have supported the TRT had there been different people running it.
i could go on but what really matters is that we all vote in nov. that's where the voices really count.
 
Truely unfortunate that another dies at the hands of the MMM. It seems that it's they who are given credit for the demise of TRT. But the Gun Owners are given the blame.

Sounds so familiar today.

Are we then to call our local DNC, or MMM, or HCI office and conceded to them that they've succeded in killing yet another tree of Freedom.

When the "confiscationists" are kicking in my door, I will remember that it's my fault that I didn't do this, or that.
That it was I that brought them to my door. It was the fact that I enlisted in the military service during a time when I was spat upon for doing so (Vietnam).

I will remember that it was I who brought Drugs, Crime, and Tyranny to the streets of America.

And I will bear that knowledge while fighting back then too.

Thank You.

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Time Wounds All Heels.
 
Mr. Noel, I've read enough of your stuff to know you have earned your frustration.

I am only reponding to offer up a brainstorm idea. Without getting into how soft and uncommitted many of us appear, let's figure how to encourage more active participation.

Few can do a 365 day "full tour" on the TRT or something similar. We all get some vacation time that could be choreographed by the planning of "generals" into relatively painless organized excursions into activism on an entry level that might get both regular and contagious.

Feel free to criticise my naivete.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Blonde:
Sorry to hear Robby.

If someone would organize something in MA, I would definitely attend. Everyone here feels pretty locked down.

These laws really screw with freedom.

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www.carlahowell.org

Mr. Blonde, she's all we got.

All gun owners should be at every event/appearance (save for the Pot Rally!) to show support.



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"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
Okay, I'm going to go out on a limb here. I have kept my mouth shut about TRT ever since you guys started recruiting here on TFL, because I admired the fact that you were trying to do something positive for Americans and were working to protect our Second Amendment Rights. But since you've decided to label us all "worthless" since we didn't rally behind you, I will not remain silent any longer.

I visited the TRT website when you first posted here. I have been back several times since. Some may recall that I, along with like-minded friends, have long been in search of an inclusive, non-religiously defined, non-racist patriotic party that we can throw our support behind. We love our country and our rights, but we are neither Christian nor racist.

Why does the TRT chat forum deem it necessary to host an anti-African forum? Every thread seems designed to drum home the "Africans are savages" concept. For some reason, a thread about a black American college party was placed in the Anti-Africa forum, where it was greeted with sneering comments like "sounds like they'd be right at home in Zimbabwe!"

I'd like to restate what is stated time and again on TFL (usually when the topic of gay rights comes up) -- DIVIDED WE FALL. If you want to have an RKBA group that's going to make a difference, you need to have an RKBA group that is open to everyone and doesn't immediately offend large numbers of people who would otherwise be on your side.

Okay. Go ahead. Let me have it. I asked for it.


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I'm with Cindy-H. I was at the Mother's day rally in Denver too. After being the pres for a large 4x4 club, I realized that there are always setbacks. You're still making a difference. Frankly, I had never heard of your website until today...maybe TFL, ak-47.net, ar15.com, 1911forum, shooterstalk.com and others would help you advertise? An awful lot of us are working together on this. Coinneach and I are instructors for a personal protection/pistol course...every month we help guide scared folks to a way of personal responsibility. There's definately a big jolt of politics that gets injected into the class, too. If everyone would do something, take one weekend a month and make something happen for the RKBA, then we'll be a tremendous force to deal with very soon. Robby, I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but I want you to know that not everyone is sitting on his/her a$$.
 
duck hunt....first your impression of TRT was correct.....however the page with Africa link is from Eaglesup.com.....there are only two TRT chat pages...TRT forum and TRT chapters.....I did not have the spare cash to buy TRT it's own UBB board.....as for the posts on the Africa site....I have found no problem with the posts....there is no anti-african rather a true reflection of what it is like in Africa....most folks who have never been there don't understand it......I was born and raised there....and the big problem is most Americans think black Africans are the same as black Americans....they are not....don't get me wrong there are many good Africans but there are many others that I would have no problem calling them savages...if you are planning a trip to SA heres a few tips

The 7 most likely ways you will DIE while visiting South Africa

In a motor car accident. This will usually involve a collision with (a) a car driven by drunk driver (b) an unroadworthy vehicle with smooth tyres and a wrench as a steering wheel (c) a mini-bus taxi carrying at least 20 adults (maximum of 16 allowed) overtaking an 18 wheel truck on a solid double barrier line (d) a cow or similar farm animal that wanders across the freeway in search of greener grass (d) an overladen car, driven at night, with a single working parking light (e) a lunatic on a 1000 cc motor cycle doing at least 240 km/h in a 60 km/h zone (f) a vehicle while attempting to cross at a designated pedestrian crossing.

A mugging or similar violent crime directed at your person. This will probably occur when you are (a) in a very public place, usually at the beach front or a shopping mall (b) drawing money from the automatic bank machine (c) visiting a police station to report a previous violation of your person (d) lying seriously injured, or worse, after the car accident described in (i) above (e) at, or on route to the hospital or city mortuary, which ever is applicable.

A car hijacking. Presently car hijackings, especially in Gauteng, are a very popular form of tax free supplementary income. They usually occur (a) in a residential suburb (b) at a stop street or a red traffic light - this helps to explain why many Gauteng drivers simply ignore these traffic signals (c) at a beach front or shopping mall parking lot. Generally the perpetrator will shoot first and only concern himself about cleaning the blood stains out of the seat upholstery later.

The cross fire during a bank or cash in-transit robbery. Another very popular form of tax free supplementary income. These robberies almost always occur in broad daylight and are carried out by large gangs, having seldom less than 10 members, all brandishing AK47s (a popular fully automatic Russian assault rifle that is easily available - unlicensed of course).

The cross fire during a gang war on the Cape flats (a poor area of Cape Town). Cape Town is the undisputed gangsterism capital of South Africa. To add spice to the pie (a) the gangs do not only fight each other, but also having running battles with PAGAD (People Against Gangsterism and Drugs) and (b) the battles often spoil over into the city and nearby major traffic routes.

A highway shooting. Though, not nearly as common as anything mentioned above, the consequences are equally as devastating. Popular methods include (a) a sniper hidden in the bush randomly shooting at cars on the freeway (b) people standing on an overpass or bridge, throwing large objects, general rocks, onto the cars below (c) people occasionally hanging objects (generally bricks) from an overpass or bridge at windscreen level  - a car travelling under the bridge would then... I'll leave you to figure the rest out for yourself. Or better still, wait for the police to describe it to your grieving family.

Devoured by a wild animal (and here I exclude the perpetrators of the crimes mentioned above). Not nearly as popular now, as a few years back, since most of the wild animals are now confined to the National Parks. There is still however the odd idiot tourist who will insist on petty a 250 kg lion or teasing a 2 ton hippopotamus. Attacks by wild animals are now mainly reserved for the occasional illegal immigrant sneaking across the border from Mozambique.

What you have read above is very serious business and is part of what every South African has to live with on a daily basis. Since the liberation of this country, subsequent to the 1994 General Elections, the new ANC government has only provided lip service in promising to tackle the ever increasing crime levels. To date, they have proven to be a complete and absolute failure in this area. This point only goes to reinforce their complete incompetence and failure as a government.

[This message has been edited by robnoel (edited September 17, 2000).]
 
CindyH: The rally in Denver was to protest the Million Morons National Convention. As it turned out, reporters from all the Denver networks and newspapers (not to mention national papers like the Chicago Tribune) were there. The stage was set... all we had to do was show up to get all the free publicity for our viewpoint that we wanted. The reporters were desperately looking for folks to give them an interview. Unfortunately, only 175 showed up Friday night (I was there) . This was after an email earlier in the week to all CSSA and RMGA members asking all to attend. We all wondered where the rest of the group was and many figured that because a protest was scheduled for the following day, a weekend, that many more would show up then. The papers reported that 60 showed up on Saturday. I was, frankly, disgusted at the low turnout. I'm pretty sure the press was dissapointed at the low turnout as well. They were looking for a major story and all they got was a footnote to all the fawning accounts of the MMM convention.

I'm guessing that the low turnout compared to the CSSA and RMGO members in the area is probably about the same ratio of gun owners who write and call their legislators and those who don't. At this rate, we might as well just line up and hand our firearms in. I'm not surprised robnoel is disillusioned.

Thankfully, the MMM convention was only 500 people. That's pretty pathetic compared to the numbers of members they claim. Too bad they get all the good press.

[This message has been edited by proximo (edited September 17, 2000).]
 
We need to make ONE group!!!! We have a common goal we need to become one, Fight as one!

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Robbie,

I don't disagree with your statements on Africa and its dangers. I am well aware of the situation in Africa. I have been working for the past year to arrange for one of my students' families (at least, the surviving members) to migrate from Sierra Leone to the US as refugees. I am pleased to report that they made it here last month and the family is now together for the first time since 1996.

I do feel that none of this has any bearing on RKBA and that incuding a forum on the dangers of Africa makes many people, including myself, look askance at the meaning behind the inclusion.

I wasn't aware that TRT and Eaglesup were separate...my mistake. Thanks for clearing that up.


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[This message has been edited by duck hunt (edited September 17, 2000).]
 
Satanta......let me correct a few things .....I just handed the control of the TRT web page over to a good friend...I was pissed this am but the fracts are ....I'am done...I've spent everything I had and gave all I could.....I'am just burnt out.....it is that simple.....as for your question I'am sure that at sometime in the not to distant furture the hats and patches will be available.....my efforts are now on my radio show and my other web page ....Eaglesup.com....no big deal!
 
proximo and rob, sorry you're frustrated by the low turnout. Regardless of the specific MMM event of the week, still, we cannot all make every event, especially if it's over an hour away, in a large, strange city.

As Frontsight said, we all do what we can, just in different ways.

Just because we don't all go the same events, rallies, etc. doesn't mean we are less serious than anyone else.

Everyone does his/her part. Yes, it's good to get media attention, but doing small things, like talking to others who are unaware of the facts, and teaching our children gun safety and the importance of freedom can be just as powerful as a rally.

BTW, rob, I am sorry to hear about how hard you've worked and that you feel so burnt out. FWIW, thanks for the huge effort.

[This message has been edited by CindyH (edited September 17, 2000).]
 
Evil goes on
Stars burn out
Workers have finite usefullness
Kennedys breed

Fought this fight with bucks and time in the 60s.

For the NRA and against Sierra Club in 70s, then they got into bed together.

More money and time than I could afford in the 80s and into late 90s.

Never a star, but several strong flickers tween burnouts.

Now have time but no bucks nor body. Still, often spend more on postage than electricity.

Hopefully some will pick up your lance while you regroup.

Thanks for takin your turn at the front.

Sam...it is always darkest just before dawn, or the next morter attack.
 
from the 5 minute RKBA handbook:
NO ONE IS AS INTERESTED AS YOU ARE. Nowadays everyone's
attention span and time are limited. Be grateful if you get
anyone's attention on our issue, even for a few seconds. Some
wannabe activists come in like a lion, then disappear faster
than sh*t through a short dog. Take whatever you get from any
volunteer. Praise and thank them. Don't be disappointed when
they drift away. They will. But some come back. Keep the
light on for them.
http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/library/RKBA_handbook.html

HTH

dZ
 
Here's what anti-gun Representative Barney Frank (D-Mass.), who sits on the House Judiciary Committee, had to say about NRA's grassroots lobbying efforts after we defeated the Juvenile Injustice bill:

"The NRA does the best job of any group in lobbying members. They don't have marches, they don't have demonstrations, they don't shoot their guns in the air. It's just good, straight democracy."


Joe

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