There's a lot to be said about most people not having a clue what the EXISTING laws are with regard to firearms purchases.
82% in favor of UBCs.
It is perfectly legal to purchase a gun from a gun dealer at a gun show without a background check....IF the gun being purchased is not on his FFL book and is part of his personal collection.
JohnKSA did not say that!Correct, it is perfectly legal to purchase from a dealer without a background check under certain circumstances at a gun shows in most states at most places. So JohnKSa friends are correct.
I have found that nearly every person I have talked to believes that it is legal to purchase a gun from a dealer at a gunshow without a background check. A person with that belief will almost certainly say they're in favor of expanding background checks without realizing that what they want is already existing law
That is correct. However, although a dealer is involved, as far as the law is concerned, these are private sales, not dealer sales in any conventional sense.It is perfectly legal to purchase a gun from a gun dealer at a gunshow withou a background check....IF the gun being purchased is not on his FFL book and is part of his personal collection.
The private sales allowance that makes it legal for licensed persons to sell privately owned firearms in private sales is really the exception to the rule of how dealers must legally operate, it's not the rule.Correct, it is perfectly legal to purchase from a dealer without a background check under certain circumstances at a gun shows in most states at most places. So JohnKSa friends are correct.
If he was attempting to make a private sale across state lines, he was attempting to violate federal law, and you also would have been in violation had you taken him up on his offer.I was offered a Sun Devil ar-15 for $2100.00 and when I gave the dealer my drvers license he refused to take it and asked if I had cash.....or I had to pay a credit card fee. I was in a neighboring state at the time.
This is another serious issue that needs to be considered in the context of this discussion. If we already have laws regarding firearm transfers that virtually no one knows about and that are virtually unenforced, what is the value of passing more laws of the same type?I've never heard of anyone doing anything about it or even talk about doig anything about it.
82% favored expanded checks. That is obviously different than a universal check which would include Dad leaving his collection to his kids.Do you favor or oppose expanding background checks on gun buyers?
That is legal as long as they abide by the laws that govern the private sale by dealers of their own privately owned firearms. They can't sell new guns that way, and they can't sell guns out of their business stock that way.know for a fact that FFL dealers set up booths with their personal guns....and they may have 100 of them ad sell them without checks. I watched it happen a few weeks ago.
That would be an illegal sale, as described.I know for a fact a FFL dealertried to sell me a sn devil Ar without a background check for cash or a credit card with a fee of 3% in a neighboring state. I handed him my ID and he didn't even glance at it.
Well, the one you described that the dealer tried to involve you in was illegal. I'm sure that other illegal sales do take place, however, I'm not sure why they would only take place at gunshows. If a dealer is crooked, he doesn't really get any protection by only being crooked at a gunshow. In fact, he's probably more likely to get caught by a sting at a gunshow than at his regular place of business.so what you guys are telling is there is alot of illega sales happening at gunshows by FFl dealers.
The people I'm talking about are under the impression that there is a legal way for commercial/business-related/dealer-stocked firearm sales to take place without a form 4473 and without a background check.
82% favored expanded checks. That is obviously different than a universal check which would include Dad leaving his collection to his kids.
But the idea that any right is unrestricted is totally at odds with history, the law, and reality. And the idea that a group of Americans possesses an absolute “right” to own and keep weapons that can—and in practice do—kill numerous innocent people in seconds, destroying families and communities and tearing at the nation’s collective soul, is barbaric and psychotic. As the old saying goes: if you want to shoot an assault weapon, go enlist.
The research I did for those stories also reinforced my belief that it's a very vocal minority in America whose affection for the right to bear arms isn't anything to do with hunting or target shooting. It's about arming themselves to the teeth so they can rise up against an oppressive government should the need arise. Because, you know, that kind of thing happens a lot in America. And they're going to be really effective against the most powerful military force in the world, if the need should ever arise.
These are some of the same people who believe 9/11 was an inside job, that the Boston bombings were a "false flag" and that President Obama was born in Kenya. Appropriately enough, the NRA caps off its Saturday night's shenanigans this weekend with a "Stand and Fight" rally featuring Glenn Beck, who happens to be promoting his new anti-gun control polemic.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so frightening. Up until the Newtown, Connecticut massacre, these were voices that many outside the United States fortunately hadn't heard all that often. But I'm actually glad they now have. In the past, when there hadn't been a school shooting for a while, this constituency just felt like a joke; but now, everyone can see that they have the ability to prevent common-sense measures designed to stem the tide of gun violence here in America.
Or it speaks volumes about the validity of the platform.Since gun control is a party platform now that speaks volumes towards the validity of the poll.
Flawed logic.When the end result is essentially the same it makes little difference in the mechanism that made it happen.
That's their best strategy--painting us all as deranged psychotics.Summary: Gun owners are deranged psychotics: