brian33x51
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Car analogies have been beat to death. I pretty much turn off anyone who tries that as the car market is a very unique one that usually doesn't properly apply to anything else.
It depends on the circumstances and on the person.
When I do, I typically don't take the common approaches because they're the ones that people have most likely heard and have answers for.
I have to admit, these days I have mostly given up on having this conversation with gun control people. Lately what I've begun to do is refer them to this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ceasefire
SonOfScubaDiver said:Having gone from being someone who didn't want guns in my house and who also considered most gun owners as gun nuts, to someone who now loves the sport of shooting and sees the value in carrying a gun for self defense, I have had quite a few discussions with friends and others explaining what I've learned. A lot of it has been explaining how and why I made this turnaround. But a lot of it has also been addressing misconceptions I had about gun ownership, and gun owners in general, that many of my friends also have. I've also had more than my share of discussions with gun enthusiasts addressing their misconceptions about people who favor stronger gun control. To date, all of these discussions have remained civil, and I haven't walked away from any of them thinking that I was talking to an unreasonable person.
Much of the time I feel very stuck in the middle. Just as I used to feel pressure to adopt any and all the gun control viewpoints, I now sometimes feel pressure to adopt any and all the pro 2A viewpoints. There seems to be elements of extremism on both sides. But what I've learned is that most of us, on both sides, aren't what we are portrayed to be online or in the news. So, I would encourage all of you to stay open to the idea of talking with the people around you about the issues surrounding guns in this country. Learn how to listen and respond without judging. Learn how to present your point of view without resorting to using terms that only serve to demonize and make enemies out of the people you're discussing these issues with. If right out of the gate you start with the "anti-gunner, you're all out to take my guns from me, crazy liberal" approach, you're only going to run into a brick wall of resistance, and the divide will grow wider.
An article I read said that it was Clinton's administration that defunded it, but that's a bit hazy. Regardless, it was defunded and murder rates gradually climbed back up near previous levels. It has also been tried/is being tried in several other american cities, and the results have been nearly the same as in Boston; it's been dramatically successful, and not one new gun law attached to it.RangerRich99:
yeah, it was a game changer.
I don't have a built in default behavior to blame the previous admin for all the world's woes, but I thought I had read where federal funds for this program get cut under the previous administration?
Does anyone else remember the same?
When people I've talked to don't want to talk about Operation: Ceasefire I know at that point they aren't serious about reducing the gun-related murder rate, they only want to ban guns.
An acquaintance said he wouldn't own guns or use them for self-defense because of his personal moral quandary about killing someone, even in self-defense.What bothers me the most is when you have a reasonable discuss with Gun Control advocates, and at some point they laugh uneasily and say something along the lines of, "Well, no one should have guns. But if things go bad, I want you near me."