Jeff, you gotta cut the carpet! My safe is about six hundred pounds and because of the foam under the carpet, when we opened the door, the thing nearly toppled over. Carefully cut the carpet to the exact size of the safe and keep the piece of carpet around in case you move. This is another reason why it's a good idea to put the safe in an out of the way place so that you can put that cut piece of carpet back in place. If you try to bolt it through the carpet, you'll have these four holes which will be harder to cover up later plus the safe will still wobble even after it's bolted down -- it may not fall over but it will be less secure.
Gun Cabinet or Safe?
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Jeff:
If you are bolting it to the floor, you need to start drill the holes with an impact drill. You can probably rent one from Home Depot. Once you've got the safe in place, just drill through from inside the safe (don't bother trying to mark the holes, move the safe, drill the holes, move the safe back...). Then you get some expanding bolts that you just ratchet into the holes.
Jared
If you are bolting it to the floor, you need to start drill the holes with an impact drill. You can probably rent one from Home Depot. Once you've got the safe in place, just drill through from inside the safe (don't bother trying to mark the holes, move the safe, drill the holes, move the safe back...). Then you get some expanding bolts that you just ratchet into the holes.
Jared
a fake wall in the side of the closet is a nice way to hide a safe pf cabinet. You remove the shelf and clothes bar, put the safe/cab in and put in a piece of drywall...you can use hidden hinges or, attach to the safe itself. Redplace the clothes bar/shelf using the top of the safe/cab as support. It's not a superfast way to get to and from your arms but to most casual observers and in-a-hurry thieves...it'll never be noticed. Had a couple of buddies that had this in their house in the spare bedroom and tho they had been broken into three times no one ever got their guns. 
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I'm not too thrilled with the idea of cutting out a big rectangle of carpet, especially since I live in an apartment. However, I wouldn't mind drilling through the drywall into the studs - the holes could be filled with some drywall mud & painted (I already have my jar of touch-up paint from the manager's master supply). Do any decent safes have holes in the back? Are the backs as drill-resistant as the rest, or could they be drilled?
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FUD,
Where did you purchase your AMSEC from? The 6022 is exactly what I am looking for (unless the bench one doesn't cost too much). Also, if you don't mind me asking, what was the roundabout price for the one you purchased. I need to get an idea on cost. I found the 6022 on the web (A G English, I think) for around $800.
Thanks again!
John
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FUD:
Consider AMSEC - American Security Products (no, I don't work for the company but I did a lot of research into their products before buying one several months ago -- I also live in Florida where the hot & humid weather is a problem). Consider the following products:<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> Model 6022 - Weight: 405 lbs. - 60"H x 22"W x 16"D = This model will fit into most standard closets.
<LI> Model 6032 - Weight: 555 lbs. - 60"H x 30"W x 21"D = This is the model that I purchased. It would have almost fit into the closet except for the handle, so we placed it in the master bedroom closet. It doesn't take up TOO much room in there plus I have the guns closer to me at night.
<LI> Model 6030 - Weight: 675 lbs. - 60"H x 30"W x 26"D = Looking back, this is the one that I should have got because it wasn't that much bigger.</UL>In addition to safes, they also offer something called a "Gun Security Chest" (model #: HC1854 - weight: 300 lbs. - 18"H x 54.25"W x 22"D). Instead of standing up tall, it lays flat and comes with an optional wood cabinet that goes on top of it with a cushioned top so that it can double as a piece of furniture -- a seat that will fit well in any room. It isn't as strong as a safe but it's stronger than a Gun Cabinet. Based on what you said, this model might be the best option for you.
However, I have to repeat what others have said: If you can afford a safe, get a safe. The cost of a safe in relation to a security chest to a cabinet is directly proportional to how easy it is to break into them -- your typical robber will not have the skills or be carrying around the tools to break into a safe quickly & easily and he's not going to be able to carry something away that weighs 600 pounds either. The same thing can not be said with regard to a cabinet. Regards,
FUD
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Where did you purchase your AMSEC from? The 6022 is exactly what I am looking for (unless the bench one doesn't cost too much). Also, if you don't mind me asking, what was the roundabout price for the one you purchased. I need to get an idea on cost. I found the 6022 on the web (A G English, I think) for around $800.
Thanks again!
John
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FUD:
Consider AMSEC - American Security Products (no, I don't work for the company but I did a lot of research into their products before buying one several months ago -- I also live in Florida where the hot & humid weather is a problem). Consider the following products:<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> Model 6022 - Weight: 405 lbs. - 60"H x 22"W x 16"D = This model will fit into most standard closets.
<LI> Model 6032 - Weight: 555 lbs. - 60"H x 30"W x 21"D = This is the model that I purchased. It would have almost fit into the closet except for the handle, so we placed it in the master bedroom closet. It doesn't take up TOO much room in there plus I have the guns closer to me at night.
<LI> Model 6030 - Weight: 675 lbs. - 60"H x 30"W x 26"D = Looking back, this is the one that I should have got because it wasn't that much bigger.</UL>In addition to safes, they also offer something called a "Gun Security Chest" (model #: HC1854 - weight: 300 lbs. - 18"H x 54.25"W x 22"D). Instead of standing up tall, it lays flat and comes with an optional wood cabinet that goes on top of it with a cushioned top so that it can double as a piece of furniture -- a seat that will fit well in any room. It isn't as strong as a safe but it's stronger than a Gun Cabinet. Based on what you said, this model might be the best option for you.
However, I have to repeat what others have said: If you can afford a safe, get a safe. The cost of a safe in relation to a security chest to a cabinet is directly proportional to how easy it is to break into them -- your typical robber will not have the skills or be carrying around the tools to break into a safe quickly & easily and he's not going to be able to carry something away that weighs 600 pounds either. The same thing can not be said with regard to a cabinet. Regards,
FUD
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John:
I got mine from a local locksmith and paid about $14??.00 for it but about half of that included his labor and installation. You can most likely get them for about 40-50% less if you order them directly from Bass Pro (sorry, I can't find the catalog but I'm sure they have a web site somewhere with a phone number) and get prices on these models that I have listed. The reason why I spent the extra money was because I knew there would be no way that I would be able to bring in a 600 pound safe without damaging something (either the safe, some part of the house or myself). If you're thinking about the smaller 400 pounder (or even the 300 pound safe/bench) then you might be able to save some money and do it yourself (especially if you have a couple of big/strong friends). Hope this helps. Regards, FUD.
I got mine from a local locksmith and paid about $14??.00 for it but about half of that included his labor and installation. You can most likely get them for about 40-50% less if you order them directly from Bass Pro (sorry, I can't find the catalog but I'm sure they have a web site somewhere with a phone number) and get prices on these models that I have listed. The reason why I spent the extra money was because I knew there would be no way that I would be able to bring in a 600 pound safe without damaging something (either the safe, some part of the house or myself). If you're thinking about the smaller 400 pounder (or even the 300 pound safe/bench) then you might be able to save some money and do it yourself (especially if you have a couple of big/strong friends). Hope this helps. Regards, FUD.
What options for those living in apartments a few levels up where floors may not take several hundred pounds (landlord also prohibits waterbeds)? We can't make alterations to the place. Even screwing shelfs to the walls is prohibited. What I'd really like is a few footlockers.
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<LI> Model FDH7240, 72"x40"x26", 1300 lbs. Doesn't fit in closet.
I have to echo everyone... get a safe! Even if you have to start off with a smaller one. I originally started with a 6032. But after putting in my Firearms, my wife putting in the important papers, jewlery, higher priced equipment (cameras, etc) then getting a few more firearms it quickly became full.
I sold it after 2 years and figured go with something bigger that won't fill up so quickly.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Where did you purchase your AMSEC from? [/quote]
When looking for another AmSec (living in NC at the time) I found the best price from Southern Security in TN. Their number is 1-800-251-9992. You also have to figure in shipping with the total price.
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<LI> Model FDH7240, 72"x40"x26", 1300 lbs. Doesn't fit in closet.
I have to echo everyone... get a safe! Even if you have to start off with a smaller one. I originally started with a 6032. But after putting in my Firearms, my wife putting in the important papers, jewlery, higher priced equipment (cameras, etc) then getting a few more firearms it quickly became full.
I sold it after 2 years and figured go with something bigger that won't fill up so quickly.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Where did you purchase your AMSEC from? [/quote]
When looking for another AmSec (living in NC at the time) I found the best price from Southern Security in TN. Their number is 1-800-251-9992. You also have to figure in shipping with the total price.
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Schmit
GySgt, USMC(Ret)
NRA Life, Lodge 1201-UOSSS
"Si vis Pacem Para Bellum"
[This message has been edited by Schmit (edited September 04, 2000).]