I wish there wasn't so much ooohrrraaaagggghhhh toughguy nonsense that goes with good training. It's annoying, and it stops good people from even trying to solve their very real self-defense needs in a realistic way.
But learning close quarters combat should be #1 on every CCW holders list otherwise you are really just a liability because its too easy to take your gun from you. People who don't do it just don't understand. I can take a grown man down in a blink of an eye, control his arms, legs, etc and litterally play with him as if he were a child. Ground fighting/close distance fighting is not natural so when doing it against an untrained person its like dealing with a child even if they are 6'3 250.
For large portions of the population, if you're on the ground, you're already incapacitated. I'm fine with practicing close draws, hip shooting into a target you're in contract with, and drawing from a prone position.
Against such advanced masters of combat like yourself why even try? I mean if you can take a grown man down in the blink of an eye and all
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For large portions of the population, if you're on the ground, you're already incapacitated. I'm fine with practicing close draws, hip shooting into a target you're in contract with, and drawing from a prone position.
Those large proportions of the population probably shouldnt be carrying a gun. Its irresponsible of you if I can take it away from you as easily as taking something away from my 3 yr old. Remember the 21 ft rule...if someone is closer than that you probably cant draw in time if they charge. If you draw further than that you are probably breaking the law unless they have a weapon or are a direct threat to your life. If you cant defend yourself inside that space you are ignoring a majority of self defense encounters you are going to have. How many self defense situations involve a bad guy further than 21ft away?
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Against such advanced masters of combat like yourself why even try? I mean if you can take a grown man down in the blink of an eye and all
If you know how to stop me from taking you down I wont be able to do it. If you show correct resistance I would try something else. Its that most people have no clue. They would probably try to knee my head or punch me while I threw them on their backs and dominated them.
zincwarrior said:For large portions of the population, if you're on the ground, you're already incapacitated.
AdamBomb said:Those large proportions of the population probably shouldnt be carrying a gun.
zincwarrior said:I'm fine with practicing close draws, hip shooting into a target you're in contract with, and drawing from a prone position.
That's a good place to start, though hip shooting may not be as useful for your particular needs as a good two-handed "hold onto the gun with all your available strength" retention position. Based on this idea, Cirillo's Nose-Point technique would likely be a good thing to add to your skill set, if you can find someone to teach it to you. That position offers excellent retention from someone trying to grab the gun away from you, and it is a stable shooting platform which is especially important since you have decided that shooting will be your primary defense in a deadly force situation.
This isn't the only way someone can defend themselves from a gun grab, by any means. But it is one method that works well for people who aren't as physically capable.
Rumor has it that good old fashioned high school level wrestling is effective, too.
I think that what is important is that when a person needs to fight on the ground that its NOT the first time they have ever had to come up with a method to combat it. I don't really think it much matter what method or [art] it is, as long as you are pretty good at it.
The person who takes you to ground will likely have a plan.. you need a better one or at least be able to substantially and effectively hinder theirs
Not carrying a gun because you don't have superb ground fighting skills is quite a silly statement. All the ground fighting skills in the world won't help you in an Orlando, San Bernadino or Mumbai horror show.
It's nice to proclaim that you are the epitome of some warrior madness. You are insane if you don't shoot 4000 rounds a year in practice from a 1911. Or have the blade skills of Sir Lancelot or some ninja.
Pax has it nailed. Well, you better have hammer and nail skills too.
Back to vacation mode!
That's what Trayvon thought until George drew his gun while on the ground.If the heavier dude gets on top, it's "ground-n-pound" til the lights go out on the bottom dudenal. That's just the way of things in the martial arts.
That's what Trayvon thought until George drew his gun while on the ground. You don't have to be Bruce Lee to win, but you do have to be armed.
If the heavier dude gets on top, it's "ground-n-pound" til the lights go out on the bottom dude
* * * The most dangerous criminals in a hand to hand combat situation would either be convicts who learned to fight in prison, or people with some high school wrestling experience. As far as prison goes, it's not a grapple friendly environment, so they tend to rely on strikes and weapons.
It is important to train in basic ground fighting and weapon retention techniques. However, the notion that one should spend thousands of dollars and countless hours in an MMA gym every year just isn't realistic for most. It would be the equivalent of building a 12 foot reinforced block wall to protect the rear of your house, and settling with a white picket fence for the front.
If the heavier dude gets on top, it's "ground-n-pound" til the lights go out on the bottom dudenal. That's just the way of things in the martial arts.
Don't care if you're Bruce Lee, Chuckles Norris, or that horn-dog Steven Seagal.
Doesn't matter. Everyone's got talent, training, and an awesome plan til they get BAMMED! upside the head.
Then the lights go out, and you - wearing your cute little Krav Maga or Aikido black belt - hit the floor. And that's when the classic biker boot-stomping party starts.
Think about it seriously. Some martial arts are sports, or involve a lot of staring at your navel and discussion about metaphysical stuff; ... others are much more "street" realistic.