Grizzly mauls sheepherder; kills dogs, sheep

Waterengineer;

Nice to hear from you,,,,Throughout Washington we have had wolves from as far back as I can remember, and that is quite along time. Montana, Wyoming,Idaho, and other states had wolves. I am sure if you spend a little time researching you will find that what I am saying is true. Below is just a small portion of information on the lies that were told in order to introduce the Canadian wolves. To get the full picture of deception concerning the Canadian wolf introduction, pull up the site below. wolfbait

F&G Illegally Agreed To Canadian Transplants I.C. Sec. 36-715(2) expressly prohibited IDFG from entering into any agreement with any entity of the U.S. Government concerning wolves unless expressly authorized by state statute but that law had already been brazenly violated by IDFG Director Jerry Conley. On September 27, 1994, without authorization from

ure or even the full Oversight Committee, Conley signed a letter to Bangs supporting the FWS Experimental Rule and agreeing to work with FWS to reintroduce wolves from British Columbia and Alberta into the Idaho experimental population area. On that same day, Conley als

o Bangs in Boise, signed by IDFG Wildlife Bureau Chief Tom Reinecker, authorizing FWS to "rel

ximum of 15 Canadian wolves in Central Idaho for u

ears or until 2 breeding pairs are each documented to produce 2 or more pups that survive until 31 December for two consecutive years." The permit stated that the wolf releases would be conducted in accordance with the Idaho wolf management plan. Idaho AG, Congress Ignore False EIS Info Although the plan was soundly rejected b

ure, Bangs and FWS went ahead and conducted the wolf release – legally from their standpoint – with the signed agreement endorsing the Nonessential Experimental Option and Rules and the signed Wolf Release Permit both in their possession. On January 25, 1995, Idaho Attorney General Alan Lance was provided with documentation of the misinformation and Code violations but no action was taken against Conley or any of the Oversight Committee members who authorized illegal issuance of the agreements. contthe Legislat o delivered a Special Permit t ease a ma p to five y y the Legislat inued on page 6


http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Web...e_Outdoorsman 26 January 2008 full report.pdf

http://washingtonwolf.info/
 
I am curious as to the specific dog breed.
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It would be a pretty safe bet that they were Great Pyrenees. Fairly atypical sheep dogs around here with the exception that most shepherds have another "herder" type dog around.
You have to realize that the Pyrenees think they are large sheep w/ teeth. They typically protect the flock from coyotes, etc. Not much of a match for a mama griz though.
elkman06
 
I don't understand why Wyo cannot work out their deal with the FED to put in a season the way Montana and Idaho have.



Waterengineer,,,Wyoming did come up with their own wolf plan, which the USFWS aproved but the Defenders of Wildlife didn't like it. The Defenders of wildlife seem to be running the wolf show along with USFWS who leave loopholes in all of their delisting plans. As you can see it does not matter what or who's wolf plan it is, the goal pole keeps getting moved by the environmentalists and and any judge they can find that will believe their lies.:mad:
 
Thanks Elkman, I kinda figured they might be pyrenees.

Sounds like they were a couple of hard Pyrs at that, which makes the loss even harder.
 
Crying Wolf Again - The Federal Cover-Up

Interesting article I found that some folks here might be interested in reading.


Crying Wolf Again - The Federal Cover-Up

Rep. Joe Balyeat


"Truth is violated by falsehood, but it is outraged by silence" (Henri
Frederic Amiel)



Federal wildlife biologists have taken much criticism lately for their sins
of commission-falsifying lynx evidence where there were no lynx. But even
more disastrous than their sins of commission, are their sins of omission.
MT House FWP Chairman Dan Fuchs has obtained hard evidence of the following:

1)The Feds have known since 1997 that elk calf ratios were being totally
decimated in areas of high wolf concentration.

2)When MT FWP personnel attempted to release this evidence to the public,
the Feds aggressively barred MT FWP from doing so.



Beginning in 1997, Carrie Schaefer did a study of Yellowstone wolf/elk
interaction entitled "Spatial and Temporal Variation in Wintering Elk
Abundance and Composition, and Wolf Response." Amongst other things, her
study revealed that areas of high wolf concentration inside Yellowstone had
calf ratios dropping precipitously - 0 to 10 calves per 100, even while the
ratio outside high wolf concentration areas remained at 46 calves per 100!
When MT FWP biologist Tom Lemke and others made written request for
permission to release this data to the public; the Fed response to suppress
it was swift, aggressive, and sustained. On 2/18/99, Yellowstone
Supervisory Biologist Glenn Plumb wrote: "It is my position, after
reviewing Ms. Schaefer's investigation, that her raw data do not warrant
full distribution to the public" On 3/18/99, in an interoffice Memo, Plumb
again denied the request: "Regarding your request for elk classification
data generated through Carrie Schaefer's ongoing research.we were remiss in
presenting Ms. Schaefer's.data in the Yellowstone Wolf Project Annual
Report." And they were able to hide this striking wolf predation in the
annual reports because they only gave averages for the entire northern herd
- when the 0 calf ratios in high wolf areas were averaged with the 46 calf
ratios from elsewhere, the average was still up near the 30 calf ratio
needed to sustain herd viability.

Of course, the Feds rationalized their suppression by saying that
Schaefer's study was just raw data and still ongoing. Yet even after her
report was completed the Feds never publicized nor (to our knowledge) ever
gave permission to MT FWP to release the information. In fact, one MT FWP
biologist who is directly involved with decisions related to Yellowstone
elk has stated that the data was so well suppressed that he hasn't even
seen it. Rep. Fuchs only got a copy of Schaefer's study and the related
inter-agency letters after aggressively demanding copies of all documents
related to the incident.

Last winter when Fuchs, myself, and other officials did our own elk calf
survey we discovered the calf ratio had plummeted. The initial response
from amateur wolf advocates and some professional biologists was, "These
guys are hacks and don't know how to count". After the official elk census
came out and totally substantiated our claims, they changed their tune.
They said, "OK, they're right about the drop, but we can't prove it's due
to wolves. It could be drought or hard winters, etc."

Yet the Schaefer study strongly implicates wolves as the significant factor
in two different ways. First, geographically - during the course of the
same winter, she observed alarmingly low calf ratios in high wolf areas
even while calf ratios remained above average outside high wolf areas. This
mitigates against the notion that the low calf ratios are caused by drought
or hard winters.

Secondly, when coupled with current data for the entire Northern
Yellowstone elk herd; an alarming pattern is revealed. In 1997 and 98, the
low calf ratio was confined to areas of high wolf concentration - the Lamar
Valley, etc. In this last year or so, as dense wolf populations have
reached critical mass across the entire northern Yellowstone Range; we
"surprisingly" see the area of low calf ratio also expand to encompass the
entire herd.

Let's cut to the chase (pardon the pun). Our ancestors realized long ago
that the wolf is a unique critter - a killing machine and a breeding
machine all rolled into one. Alaskan studies reveal wolf population
increases of 34% annually, even while being aggressively hunted. Data from
the first few years of our Tri-state wolf experiment also verify this same
34% annual increase. It doesn't take a CPA (or a professional wildlife
biologist) to figure out that this rate results in a 1000% increase in
population size every 8 years!

If the Feds continue to break promises, suppress evidence, and drag their
feet for 3-5 more years; our wildlife and livestock may need to be placed
on the Endangered Species List by then (never mind our pet dogs, llamas,
and small children). I repeat - we are not calling for eradication of
wolves. We are simply saying that NOW is the time for the Feds to move
immediately to de-list the wolf; so that MT, Wyoming, and Idaho state Fish
& Game Departments can manage wolves like any other species. It's time for
the Feds to make up for past sins (of commission and omission) by turning
over wolf decisions to more trustworthy managers.

http://montanalife.tripod.com/wolves/crying_wolf_again.htm
 
I don't see the fascination with the wolf. It's curious that the anti-hunters don't mind the thought of a wolf eating a calf still half alive but have conniptions if a hunter kills a grown bull.


The effect of the wolves on the elk population in Mt. is well known among outfitters.

I wonder if the Federal government cares what a big part of the economy of these states hunting is.
 
I think the USFWS needs an overhaul, put people in charges who have the wellfare of all wildlife at heart and not just what the enviromentalists think they can make a buck on. The more controversy a species issue creates, the more money the environmentalists can beg out of people that don't know any better. Imagene the money that they have slurped out of the wolf issue. Like the USFS who would rather chase "endangered species" than put up timber sales. The USFS Has their own wildlife department that has been caught lying and planting evidence of an animal to stop timber sales or have them thrown out. At some point in time there needs to be an overhaul of the crooked practices of today. wolfbait

http://washingtonwolf.info/
 
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