Gotta love the Swiss Government

Hedley

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I recently purchased a K-31 that came with the soldier's name tag. I looked the name up in the Swiss directory and found 5 listings in different cantons of Switzerland. Most of the online listings were missing the street addresses, but had the employer instead. I anxioulsy and carefully wrote out 5 letters in both French and German, including a picture of the name tag and the rifle. Then I proceeded to airmail a "hail marry" to Switzerland, knowing that three of my letters were missing street addresses, and that if the soldier were still alive, he'd be 83.

In my excited state of playing with this magical rifle, I spent the night searching the internet for a Swiss site that could help me out. I then came across the Swiss Army website and hit the contact link. Hey what the heck. In a poorly translated message, I described that I was trying to contact said ex-soldier and provided all the info on the guy I had, and just asked for the street address. Then I forgot about it.

Today, I checked my mail, and got an email from an archivist in the military. He explained to me that the soldier had died 25 years ago, but is survived by a wife and son. Then, get this, not only did he give me both the wife and sons' addresses and phone numbers, he highly encouraged me to send them a postcard and a picture of their father's old rifle.

Now here's the rub, if you were pushing into your 80's, would receiving a letter, albiet a very nicely written one, from an American about his possesion of your late husband's rifle be bitersweet? Should I hold off on sending a letter, or is 25 years good enough grace period?
 
Hell, go over there and let them shoot it. The Swiss love guns and have ranges all over. It's also the most visually-impressive nation in europe... go light off some rounds in the alps and gorge yourself with beer and cheese.

If anyone out there has my pop's 1903 springfield, I would love to hear from them. I bet those folks feel the same way...
 
I can barely believe that someone in a government agency would hand over contact information to a stranger like you, rather than observe some sort of confidentiality for the family.

I would not go writing to the family. Think, for whose satisfaction would you be doing it? My view is that it would be to satisfy your own curiosity, not to help this family put puzzle pieces together about their lost loved one.


But mostly, I'm shocked that the guy just handed over the addresses and phone numbers. But then, it seems that Europeans value their privacy less and less these days, what with so many of them apparently favoring a camera on every streetcorner. :rolleyes:


-azurefly
 
K-31

I've got three K-31's. Two of them had the name tags. I wrote a bunch of letters in German & French and one of them found it's way to the family. The original owner died in 1988, but his Son in Law not only wrote me back, but sent me photos of Hans and his family. They were surprised, and glad to hear from me. In each of the letters I sent, I included a photo of the tag and the rifle. Thefamily was glad to get them. So I would say, by all means, write to the family and send them some photos. I know how much it would mean to me to know where my Father's rifle from WWII is and that it's being used and taken care of. For info on all the Swiss rifles try the forum at www.swissrifles.com They have a very helpful (and friendly) forum.
Hope this helps.
The Sarge
 
Me, it would distress me if my dad had fought in a war, and then my counry saw fit to send his rifle to another country, even as gun ownership in my country was being hounded into nonexistence.

Imagine the descendents of some British soldier being shown a photo of their ancestor's Sten, now owned by some Yank. :rolleyes:

Imagine being the former owner of a rifle confiscated in a state with an AWB, seeing it held proudly by someone living in a freer state. :(


-azurefly
 
The original owner of that rifle has been dead for 25 years, so the pain of loss is long gone. What's left is very likely just fond memories.

While the wife may not be interested much in the rifle itself, the son might.
For my part, and knowing what it would mean to me if the situation was reversed, I would offer to sell the rifle to the son for what I had into it.

Carter
 
Carter has it right

At the very least, yes, write them. Now that both my inlaws are gone, the stuff we're finding as we have cleaned out their house, that relates to my father in law's service, is priceless to us. He would never talk about what he did in the war, you see...but we found a record of the concentration camps he helped liberate, pictures of him with members of the Russian Army whom his unit met up with, and other mementos. If we knew somebody somewhere had stuff, we'd sure as heck be excited to hear about it and get pics even if it was impractical to get it back.

Write them. Definitely.

Springmom
 
My grandfather recently had the opportunity to tour the actual B-26 bomber that he flew in WWII. It was in an old air museum in... I can't remember where. Anyway, it meant a great deal to him to get to go see it again, and his wife (my grandmother) was ecstatic as well.

I think it would be quite kind of you to write them and tell them what became of dad's old rifle. People are often quite sentimental about things like that, and after 25 years, I don't think anyone will still be harboring negative memories about it.
 
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I agree with CDH...

For my part, and knowing what it would mean to me if the situation was reversed, I would offer to sell the rifle to the son for what I had into it.

No arguments there, it's their heirloom. But definately write this family, Europeans are rather friendly as much as Americans bash them. However this is an opportunity for two strangers from both countries to learn about each other.


To oldbillthundercheif, man how I wish I could see Switzerland, Germany, and Austria. I never knew the Swiss were still pro-gun, but my guess is they're heavily regulated like Krazyfornia in the US?


Epyon
 
Not really. As military service is required for all young Swiss folks (much like in Israel), pretty much every house has a few select-fire battle rifles laying around. They like to shoot them a lot and are issued generous amounts of ammo for practice. Crime is almost nonexistant over there... I wonder why?

Bluefly: If there is one thing I am absolutely sure of, it is that this previous owner of the rifle did not fight or die in open conflict. The regular Swiss Army has not fought since the end of The Holy Roman Empire many hundreds of years ago...
You have obviously never been to Der Schweitz if you think that they are all freedom-hating usurpers of firearms rights. You could not be more wrong about this fine nation's history with and attitudes about firearms.
 
The original owner of that rifle has been dead for 25 years, so the pain of loss is long gone. What's left is very likely just fond memories

Those losses never go away. But the family is likely in the stage where the fond memories are the things that come to mind first, with the pain of the loss to follow.

Send the letter.
 
"My grandfather recently had the opportunity to tour the actual B-12 bomber..."

A B-12?

Wow. He was truly one of the few! The B-12 was almost totally out of service by the time the US entered WW II. The only known survivor is at the Air Force Museum at Wright Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio.
 
"You have obviously never been to Der Schweitz if you think that they are all freedom-hating usurpers of firearms rights. You could not be more wrong about this fine nation's history with and attitudes about firearms."

Hold on a minute...

Even though the Swiss military has arms distributed in homes, things are not necessarily peaches and cream for Swiss gun owners. There are plenty of gun-grabbers in Switzerland.

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/...l?siteSect=105&sid=7029708&cKey=1157213914000

Tim
 
No, Mike, you're right. It wasn't a B-12... I can't remember what model it was that he flew. My airforce trivia is suffering today. I just edited my original post to reflect the error...

Anyway, the point is still valid. Write the family. It'll be a great sentimental experience for them.
 
Love them swiss...

All able-bodied Swiss men aged 20-30 are conscripted for about three months and issued with a rifle, to be used only in the event of an alert.

After initial training, the conscripts are required to do three or four weeks of army service every year until they have served a total of 260 days or reached the age of 34.

Throughout this time they keep their rifles and 50 rounds of ammunition at home.

Wonder what kind of rifles they get to keep home. Can you imagine getting to bring home an M16 when you join the national guard? :eek:
 
Oh, no! There is a debate over there about keeping military rifles in the home. That must mean that they hate guns, I guess...

If US National Guard or Army Reserve soldiers kept real-deal military weapons in their homes, I would bet that there would be more than friendly debate as a result. The gun-control goofs would go totally insane.

The facts here are that the Swiss regulate their firearms less than any other nation on the european continent and that they shoot them well and often. It's not hard for Swiss civilians to own guns. They like guns. Their nation has a proud history of firearms ownership and use and it is not going to change anythime soon.
 
Sig 550- The national home-defense rifle auf der Schweitzen Armee. Easy to see why there are not many burglaries over there...

SIG550.jpg
 
Write the letter and send the tag and picture to the son. The tag will mean a lot more to him than to you. I'm sure he will thank you for it.
 
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