Got my cz 75b polished stainless in today. Bonus pictures

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The barrel/slide lockup and slide stop design are also very similar. The bottom half of the pistol is, of course, a different design.
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The slide riding inside the frame is a shared feature -- but that may be the only unique one.

While the CZ does share a similar barrel design, if you look at the ORIGINAL Browning Hi-Power patent drawings (dated 1927), shown below, you'll see that the CZ barrel and recoil system design is far closer to the original Hi-Power design than the Petter/SIG design. If you had to argue that CZ copied an existing slide, barrel, and recoil assembly design, it was arguably the original BHP design they copied, not the Petter/SIG design. See the Browning patent drawings that follow.

The base of the SIG (M49/P-210)guide rod and recoil spring assembly - which uses a full-length guide rod -- stays connected (by the slide stop pin) to both the barrel and the frame as the slide and barrel move to the rear. (I have never seen a diagram of a Petter Model 1935 to know whether that feature was used in the Petter design -- but I suspect it was.) The SIG design, I think, is considered a LINKED system.

František Koucký's CZ design is described as a variation of the LINKLESS Browning design. The most obvious difference is that the base of the CZ guide rod rests against the frame as the slide and barrel move to the rear. (The later HP recoil spring guide rod base is connected to the BHP frame by the slide stop lever, but it does separate from the barrel when cycling. The subsequent centerfire SIGs also don't use lugs on top of the barrel to connect the barrel to the slide; some of the newer CZ designs (CZ-40B, CZ-97, P-07/09) don't either. All of the newer centerfire SIGs and CZs use a linkless design.

The original Hi-Power patent drawing shown was for a single-stack striker-fired gun. The Hi-power went through a lot of changes after Browning died, and it wasn't until some of the COLT patents expired that it took its present form. It may be that the final product was really more a Dieudonné Saive design than a Browning one. Saive was Browning's assistant at FN for years, and later took over the HP project after Browning's death. Saive eventually became FN's head designer. And while there were double-stack mags before he developed one for the FN HP, his was apparently the first to see widespread use.​

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OP, thanks for the post! I really want a stainless CZ 75B, and I am leaning towards the polished one, not the matte (better rust/corrosion resistance).
 
OP... I am leaning towards the polished one, not the matte (better rust/corrosion resistance).
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Can you explain how or why highly-polished stainless steel can resist corrosion better than less-highly-polished stainless steel? I have not heard that stated before, so am curious. (I thought it was the composition of the metal, not its level of smoothness, that made the difference.)

(I do know, from experience, that highly polished stainless shows every little minor scratch and blemish, while matte stainless doesn't...)
 
OP, thanks for the post! I really want a stainless CZ 75B, and I am leaning towards the polished one, not the matte (better rust/corrosion resistance).
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...and how, exactly, does it offer better corrosion and rust resistance?
 
Easer to clean polish stainless and remove the scratches you can get from handling with semi-chrome polish. There are different grades of stainless.
 
I found it much easier to keep a matte stainless gun looking like new than a highly polished stainless gun. (The high-gloss stainless guns, it seemed to me, were only a bit easier to keep nice than highly-polished BLUED guns; the stainless guns were more rust resistant than the blued guns, but they can rust, too. The little green pads used to scrub teflon pots and pans work wonders on some matte stainless guns.

I'll never have another highly polished stainless handgun, unless it's one unless I plan on it being a gunsafe queen (i.e., an "investment.") I don't generally do that.

I had never noticed (or heard from any users) that one level of polished stainless was more corossion resistant than another. And in the case of the of the 75Bs that started this part of the discussion, the steel used is the same. If there is a difference, I'd certainly like to understand WHY -- that would be useful information.
 
"Walt.. I'll never have another highly polished stainless handgun, unless it's one unless I plan on it being a gunsafe queen (i.e., an "investment.") I don't generally do that."

Have a bunch of polished SS pistols...I will drop a picture of mine. Much easier to keep clean and scratch free. Sorry.

Hard to hide the action marks on a satin finish without redoing the entire pistol. That is a fact jack..
 
CZ offered three different levels of polish when they first introduced the stainless finishes: Matte, a "satin"-like finish, and the highly polished finish you see most often, nowadays.

I've had matte (most of which resembled a bead-blasted finish) and highly polished pistols and revolvers, but none with a satin stainless finish. I found the highly-polished stainless or nickel weapons to be a bit like high-polished blued guns -- every minor blemish shows up like neon because the underlying metal has been so finely polished that anything that disrupts the finish really stands out.

That was one of the main reasons I sold my Compact Sphinx (a 2000P): too much trouble to keep it looking right. I also had a high-gloss nickel-plated Python. It was a bit like the Sphinx.

The only "satin" finish I've had is the CZ satin nickel, but that's closer to a matte finish than a polished surface -- but it's also one of the most trouble-free and robust finishes I've ever had.

Maybe I'm just rougher on guns than you, and our preferences are different because of that.
 
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I personally didn't say anything about hiding scratches. I questioned the notion that's its more rust and corrosion resistant, which is total nonsense.
 
This Sphinx 2000P Compact became a safe queen -- until I sold it. It was a constant hassle for me to keep it looking nice. Great shooting gun, but too much trouble.

This photo doesn't do it justice -- as it looks much less glossy in the photo than when you see it in person -- and it arguably wasn't as highly polished as your CZ...

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I'll never have another highly polished stainless handgun, unless it's one unless I plan on it being a gunsafe queen
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Wise choice...

I made the mistake of taking the flat sides of my Ruger MKII "slabside" up to a mirror finish.

It looks fabulous - - until you handle/use it.....then it turns into a mangle of tiny, but, very prominent scratches.

I'd hate to think of the time and man hours it took to polish my CZ.
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FWIW - it took me nearly a week per side, working a couple hours a night while I watched TV, to stone, sand and polish my MKII.
I did it all by hand.
It's probably an hour's work using the right power tools, if that.
 
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Walt (or anyone else), have you ever seen a brushed stainless CZ 75B? I found this one listed on Gunbroker. It's mostly brushed on the flats and bead blasted in the more rounded areas. It's rather nice looking. I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this finish before?
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I've seen a couple. That may be the matte finish I was talking about. It's the only one I'd want of the stainless models.

That is one of the NEWER ones -- which I have not seen at a gun show or in a gunshop -- as it has the extended beavertail and the reversible mag release. (The original ones didn't.) The following image is from Gunbroker.

(Staff, if posting images like this is a problem, please delete the image!)

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This thread got me excited. I went to the CZ website and I realized that they don't offer a decocker model in stainless. I emailed them and they replied that they have no plans to expand the stainless line. :(
 
You have a nice collection of such high quality guns! The VZ-58 really stands out.

Have you considered a variant of the CZ-75 or 75 Compact? My only Czech gun is the CZ-82, but reports of the 75 series really caught my attention, and then trying out the trigger...

The fact that not only Russia and Israeli Intell. etc bought these (Russians issuing a Czech gun!), but also the counter-terrorist Delta Force really
Says something about CZ reliability/manufacturing.
 
I went to the CZ website and I realized that they don't offer a decocker model in stainless. I emailed them and they replied that they have no plans to expand the stainless line.
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You have a decocker. It's called your thumb. Learn how to do it safely with snap caps. It is really easy, and safe to do.
 
You have a decocker. It's called your thumb. Learn how to do it safely with snap caps. It is really easy, and safe to do.
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Pilot, I'm sure I could say something just as cute about manual safeties like the ones on these models. That wouldn't change the fact that a lot of people like them and use them. That is their preference and they are well-served by these models. Personally, I don't care for manual safeties. I prefer a decocking lever in place of a manual safety on my DA/SA guns. If CZ releases one of these gorgeous stainless models with a decocker, I'll be well-served by it. ;)
 
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