Good shoot or overkill?

[jimpeel]

Society is better off without that piece of crap.

Agreed; but do we want death squads in America?

Note to those who would accuse me of anti-cop bias due to the above statement: I am not saying they acted as a death squad in this case. I am only asking if those with the "Shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out" mentality would support death squads in America such as those found in South America.

 

[Nicotine]

Note to those who would accuse me of anti-cop bias due to the above statement: I am not saying they acted as a death squad in this case. I am only asking if those with the "Shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out" mentality would support death squads in America such as those found in South America.

+100^

Also, I did ADMIT that I got carried away with my emotions, but that does not mean I agree with (sadly, almost all of you) those who would say that the man deserved to DIE because he hit some guy and stole a car. I realize that a lot of you feel the need to say things like "In my view the only good criminal is a dead criminal" or "If a criminal violates someone in any way they deserve to be shot." to show how "Pro-LE" you are or how against crime you are, but saying something like that is just vulgar and stupid. To say a man deserves to die because he has no respect for human life? Isn't there a saying about a pot calling a kettle names or something? Did this criminal KILL the man he stole the car from? No. Did he kill any cops? No. I suppose you are going to bring up the fact that he could have endangered someones life by running, but this was NOT a high speed pursuit. I agree that what he did was (very, very,) wrong, and I admit that I was to hasty in saying the cops were at fault, but for anyone here to say he deserved to die is just as arrogant and one-sided as I was being at first.(only I did not condem anyone to death for their actions, did I?)

 

[Hal]

but for anyone here to say he deserved to die is just as arrogant and one-sided as I was being at first

IMHO - stupid should hurt.
Felony stupid should be fatal.

Once upon a time in the world,,,that's the way it was.
People had far more regard for others back then, and were far more cognizant of the consequences of their actions.

In a weird way -they were more civilized.

 

[2rugers]

Hal. Now that was funny. And yes, "PAIN IS THE QUICKEST TEACHER". Taking responsibility and having to pay a price, is what is so badly lacking in our increasingly UNCIVIL society today.

 

[Vanguard.45]

Clarification:

No, I do not support DEATH SQUADS, and I never said a person should die simply because they have no respect for human life.

What I say is that people who happen to die as a result for their lack of respect for the life liberty, and property of others as well as a regard for the social contract necessary for a society to be maintained GET WHAT THEY DESERVE.

Ours is a society in need of some consequences.

If you fail in school, you are socially promoted to the next grade.
If you fail financially (or don't try), there's welfare and medicare and disability and the check-of-the-month-club, etc..
If you fail to heed the law, you get a slap on the wrist.
If you fail to heed the law in a big way and kill, rape, or maim an innocent, you get THREE STRIKES before you're out (as if this is some sort of f-ing BASEBALL GAME)!

Decent people are getting a bit tired of how society seems to be nurturing the criminals and ne'er-do-wells and turning a blind eye to the suffering of the law abiding. Thus, if the death of some carjacker seems trivial to me, I'm sorry. It probably wasn't the first person he'd hurt, and it wouldn't have been the last.

Who says death is not a deterrent to crime? THAT guy won't be committing any more crimes, now will he?

Vanguard.45

 

[Twycross]

I can sympathize with the 'he deserved to die' side. As many have pointed out, modern America isn't nearly hard enough on those of the criminal mindset. However, we have to be careful to not over-react. Carjacking is not a capitol crime. While a draconian crackdown might lower crime rates, the end does not justify the means.

We seem to forget that these are people like ourselves. They are not monsters. They are individuals, and should be punished as such. Assault and theft are not worthy of death, and we should not force a carjacker to bear the weight of the collective criminal debt. So yes, by all means get tough on criminals, but don't go overboard.

People claim that there should be consequences. That is correct, but if someone dies needlessly and undeservingly in the act of committing a minor crime, and we say "oh well, good riddance," how are we different from them?

 

[Hal]

Carjacking is not a capitol crime

It should be.
Horse theft at one time was a capitol crime.

The premise was that someone deprived of their horse, was placed in grave physical danger.

Looking at the (usually high crime areas) where most carjackings occur, the same pretty much holds true today.

We seem to forget that these are people like ourselves. They are not monsters. They are individuals, and should be punished as such.

Like YOU maybe,,,,but nothing like myself or anyone else that I know.
LOL!
Only thing I have in common w/carjackers is we both turn O2 into CO2...
And I got no qualms about anyone removing THAT similarity