Good shoot or overkill?

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jimpeel

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Go to http://www.local6.com/index.html and click on any "VIDEO: See The Story" link. Below the window the video plays in there is a subwindow that has other video stories.

One of these is entitled "EXCLUSIVE: Carjacking Suspect Shot, Killed". Watch the video.

To the right of that video in the sub window is another entitled "Luis Bolden Analyzes Carjacking Second-By-Second". Watch that video.

What is your opinion on whether the shooting was necessary, justified, or overkill.
 
Why, exactly did the police feel it necessary to fire 3 shotgun rounds at minimal range into an unarmed suspect who was already trapped? I know he was still trying to escape, but tthey could have stopped that with minimal effort. And didn't they have a taser or SOMETHING? I suppose this thread is going to be filled with the usual "Criminals don't deserve to live `cause their all bad guys" crap that this forum seems so polluted with, but if someone (maybe a LEO) can explain why this had to happen like this without getting to worked up about cop's rights, I would be more than happy to listen.
 
Impossible to say even from viewing the video.

The video only shows what's going on outside of the stolen car.
You can't see what the suspect is doing with his hands.

The first guy that shot may have been reacting to somthing the suspect did when the guy broke the window - possibly believeng the suspect was armed and taking aim at the window breaker.

The second guy that fired may not have known the shots came from outside the vehicle, and believed someone inside was shooting.

Like I say,,,really impossible to tell.
 
What exactly was the carjacker doing in the car? What exactly was in his hands?
I know he wanted to leave but couldn't have just surrendered and let everybody go home?
I suppose this thread is going to be filled with the usual "Cops are JBTs and just want to shoot 'cause they're all bad guys" crap that this forum seems so polluted with, but if anyone (maybe a psychic) can explain exactly what went on in that car without getting worked up about Nazis and Police States, I would be more than happy to listen.
 
I know he was still trying to escape, but tthey could have stopped that with minimal effort. And didn't they have a taser or SOMETHING?
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This sentence right here is exactly why I hate all these non-lethal weapons for cops. Give a cop a stick (baton) and a gun. If hands on and a baton won?t work and the officer is defending life and limb (of can?t allow an escape) then go to lethal force.
 
Nicotine said:
I suppose this thread is going to be filled with the usual "Criminals don't deserve to live `cause their all bad guys" crap that this forum seems so polluted with...
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joab said:
I suppose this thread is going to be filled with the usual "Cops are JBTs and just want to shoot 'cause they're all bad guys" crap that this forum seems so polluted with...
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What a sterling example of the partisanship of this forum! (Yes, joab, I understood your irony)

Five posts, and 2 out of 3 of them have weighed in on opposite sides of the so called issue...meawhile, more important things are going on. Like the election of Ken Campbell, for one.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled "us v. them" fest...
 
Statistically if you are involved in some type of criminal activity and surrounded by law enforcement officers armed with shotguns, rifles, pistols etc. there will eventually be some kind of trouble. IMHO
 
I do find it interesting that the suspect took the car by physical force; not by deadly threat.

<Tony Pipitone> "This all started around two this afternoon at Twenty-Second Street and Orange Blossom Trail. The owner of that red Cadillac Eldorado was knocked on the head and severely beaten, his car stolen. Now he's expected to be okay ..."
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Sounds like there may not have been a weapon involved but does not rule it out. The windows of the car are darkly tinted as are most in that area. Maybe they couldn't see clearly through the windows and thought they saw a furtive move by the suspect. The evils of tinted glass strike again.
 
Can't tell one way or the other from the video if it was a "good shoot" or not.

Bottom line: If the thug had not beaten the car owner and stolen his car, he would still be alive. His death is 100% his own fault, IMHO. Too bad the car owner wasn't armed so he could have saved the police the trouble.

You say "dead carjacker" like it's a bad thing...:D
 
You say "dead carjacker" like it's a bad thing...
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No, I say dead human being like its a bad thing...

I see the point about the cops not KNOWING he was unarmed. You have to excuse me if I get worked up about things like this. Watching heavily armed, trained professionals gun down civilians always gets my blood boiling, and sometimes I don't look at the issue clearly enough. joab, your a funny guy...:rolleyes:

Seriously, I'll try to think with my head rather than letting my emotions run away with me next time. It really is hard to tell from that video.
 
I can't find these videos, they must have altered the news page.

In my view the only good criminal is a dead criminal unless he is smart enough to surrender to police. If a criminal violates someone in any way they deserve to be shot. They called the tune, they pay the piper. I don't believe in giving them "a fair chance to get away or making sure they are armed" and other such nonsense. I value innocent people, their libery, life and property more than I do trash that is willing to violate it.

Unfortunately, we have a system (mostly run by PI/trial attorneys or judges who are former PI/trial attorneys) who feel the exact opposite and want to get money out of police and civilians for "poor" and "oppressed" human garbage (and get a piece of the action).
 
No doubt on this one. http://disloyal.org/?show=733

I'll save you the trouble and tell you that they said "Drop the knife" or "Drop it" FORTY-EIGHT TIMES.

After they got him down, the cop who shot him didn't even know if he shot the guy because he was kissing the mark when the pistol went off. You can tell he was disturbed by having to shoot him.
 
now return you to your regularly scheduled "us v. them" fest...
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My point exactly Antipitas

I'll try to think with my head rather than letting my emotions run away with me next time. It really is hard to tell from that video.
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My point exactly Nicotine

I don't know if the cops are blood thirsty jackboots or if the criminal had thug to the grave mentality
From that stupid little video none of us do.
the only way to formulate any opinion is with emotion as there are no facts known to us leading up to the shooting
 
Doug.38PR and Twycross

To find the videos, go into ANY story that has the video icon. Start the video and watch at the bottom below their video window. There is a rectangular window that you may select various archived videos from.

One will say "EXCLUSIVE: Carjacking Suspect Shot, Killed" and the other will say "Luis Bolden Analyzes Carjacking Second-By-Second" two to the right of the first one.
 
Found the video. IMHO, not enough info to determine anything on whether it was a good shoot or not. I'm going to wait for more to come out on this before making any conclusions.
 
I value innocent people, their libery, life and property more than I do trash that is willing to violate it.
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Roger that!!
Why didn't he drop the knife? Did he think the police were going to get bored following him and just go home??:rolleyes:
 
steelheart

These are two different incidents -- one involving a carjacker in Florida (Post #1) and the other involving a knife-wielding pedestrian in Massachusetts (Post #13).

On the latter, one of the cops asked him early in the video "Are you gonna walk to Boston?" :p
 
This person was no CITIZEN. His actions were certainly not CIVIL. He chose to beat a CIVILIAN, (severely from the sound of it), steal that CIVILIANS property and then resist CIVIL authority.
If more VIOLENT CRIMINALS were treated likewise they may begin to "WALK THE PATH" and become good DENIZENS of society. Otherwise?????
 
Nicotine writes:

"No, I say dead human being like its a bad thing..."

Response:
The death of SOME human beings is NOT necessarily a BAD THING as not all humans choose to have any regard for the life, liberty, or property of those around them. In short, they are a disease attacking the organism we call society.

If you want the respect and regard due a "human being", then you shouldn't break the "social contract" necessary in maintaining a decent society and act like a rabid f-ing animal!

The person who was carjacked and beaten was somebody's father, brother, husband, son, nephew, and grandson.

If the victim here were any of those to me, the perp would be thankful for the shotgunning he got from the cops compared to what I would have done to him!

Trust me.

Society is better off without that piece of crap.

Vanguard.45
 
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