Good Shoot or Bad Shoot?

[Wildalaska]

I spoke to somebody involved in the investigation who must be, anonymous. The bottom line so far

1. The decedant was not a pillar of the community
2. Many folks involved were sympathetic to the defendant...but

Guess the best way to put it was...he kept shooting when he should have stopped.

Tough line between defense and offense...thats why carrying a gun is such an awesome responsibilty

WildimstryingtogetmoreinfoAlaska TM

 

[David Armstrong]

My remarks where about this specific individual and those like him.

They are equally flawed in concept, whether they be the broad generalizatio you originally tossed out or the narrower parameter you are attempting to use now. As you have no knowledge of what this person's life was like anywhere outside of the little snippets offered by the media, such a judgement is questionable at best.

You can go ahead an defend the lowlifes if you choose to do s, but do not expect me to enable your actions.

As there is ample evidence that many who drink and use drugs are not lowlifes by any rational standard, I doubt there is any enabling for you to do at all.

 

[Playboypenguin]

David Armstrong

Nice attempt to play games and incite reactions but I am afraid it is not going to work. This guy was a loser. If you want to defend him and other people like him that is your choice. Go ahead and defend all the drug addicts and alcoholics you like...maybe even let them move in with you and help them straighten themselves out. Good luck with that.

 

[Sigma 40 Blaster]

Guess the best way to put it was...he kept shooting when he should have stopped.

That's what I gathered from the newspaper story. It looked more like a revenge or prevention thing than a self defense thing (motive of the actor is a BIG deal). The story said he continued to shoot even when the guy was on the ground.

I can see that if the guy had a handgun or something and would not drop it but it's hard to justify shooting an un-armed guy on the ground while he's down. I think 2-3 shots COM this guy would have not been charged at all, walked or worst case got a considerably lighter charge. He's fortunate to have received 10 years.

 

[obxned]

Had anyone on the jury ever been around someone high on methamphetamine, the verdict would probably have been different.

 

[David Armstrong]

Nice attempt to play games and incite reactions but I am afraid it is not going to work.

No games, no incitement. I just think that when someone makes questionable statements or makes declarations that are not supported by facts they should be pointed out.

This guy was a loser.

That might be so. But that also is not what you originally said.

If you want to defend him and other people like him that is your choice.

Now it seems you are the one wanting to play word games and such. Nowhere have I suggested that I want to defend him or others like him.

Go ahead and defend all the drug addicts and alcoholics you like.

Again, you make a claim that is not accurate. You made a number of statements that in total disagree with the facts and reality of the world, you were called on it, and now you are trying to attribute actions or concerns to me that I have not expressed in order to distract from that.

 

[Hornett]

Josh jumped Saafi, threatened to kill him.

Saafi went in the house and got a gun. He unloaded seven bullets into Josh, pumping shots long after Josh's body hit the ground.

This may be rhetoric by the journalist, but if it happened like it says, I am afraid that I would have voted to convict also.
It makes it sound like Saafi went into the house after he was assaulted, came out with a gun and shot Kagel without any warning or any other interaction.
That's a bad shoot to me.

IMO, the tone of the article was slightly anti Saffi. For instance, Kagel was frequently referred to as Josh While Saafi was hardly ever called by his first name.
Maybe just because Osaiasi is so hard to spell...

 

[BikerRN]

Reading this thread brings to mind one point.

When the shooting is over, even the worst monster laying dead at your feet is somebody's child, loved one, parent, son, daughter, father or mother. Remember what Ted Bundy's mother said to him just before he was executed?

Biker

 

[pax]

Guess the best way to put it was...he kept shooting when he should have stopped.

Kind of gives a strong argument against the "shoot them to the ground" rhetoric.

pax

 

[jackmcmanus21]

unfortunately, we'll never know the truth when it comes to reading about an incident from a second hand source. Stories like this can be bias. I think he was right to defend himself, I don't think it was right to keep firing though.

 

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I think Kathy the issue (pure speculation without seeing all the evidence) is that the defendant kept shooting when the deceased was on the ground and 'stopped'.

The forensics might have shown that the most damaging shots were fired when he was down.

 

[brickeyee]

Kind of gives a strong argument against the "shoot them to the ground" rhetoric.

Shoot them till they are no longer a threat.

This is not just "shoot them to the ground" but appears to be 'shoot them ON the ground.'

 

[spacemanspiff]

This story comes to its own sad conclusion

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/682293.html

MURDERER WHO WAS GRANTIED LENIENCY DIES

Less than seven months ago, Osaiasi Saafi was in court on a murder charge, looking at 25 years. Then, a twist: The family of the young man he shot and killed asked the judge for leniency. They didn't want to see two young lives wasted. He got the minimum for second-degree murder: 10 years.

Now Saafi, age 31, is dead too.

The prison inmate died Friday at Alaska Regional Hospital after surgery earlier in the week for a neurological problem, said Richard Schmitz, a spokesman for the state Department of Corrections. He had family with him.

A childhood friend, Ma'o Tosi, said Saafi's parents had questions about how such a young man went so quickly. They didn't yet want to talk publicly about it, he said. They didn't even know anything was wrong until Thursday, he said.

"They're still having a hard time with everything," said Tosi, who was with the family at the hospital.

Saafi's lawyer, Rex Butler, was out of town on Friday when he heard the news. He was upset.

"What? Are you kidding me?" Butler said. "That doesn't make any sense to me." He said he was aware that Saafi had a neurological problem but thought it was under control. He said he would try to find out more.

Saafi was serving his sentence at Spring Creek Correctional Center in Seward but was transferred to a mental health unit at Cook Inlet Correctional Center in November for observation and testing, Schmitz said. He had been exhibiting behavioral problems.

A brain scan in January found an abnormality, a mass of some sort, Schmitz said. Saafi had surgery on Tuesday and came out of it, but then rapidly deteriorated, he said.

Schmitz said he didn't know when Saafi's family was notified of his condition but said generally, the prison system lets inmates decide when to contact family about illness, even a serious one.

Before Aug. 28, 2005, Saafi had no history of violence, no criminal record, not even a speeding ticket. He stepped in that day to protect his cousin from her husband, Josh Kagel, as they fought on Airport Heights Drive.

Kagel was high and threatened Saafi. Saafi came out of the house with a gun, fired into Kagel seven times. At the trial, Butler argued that it was self defense. A jury called it second degree murder.

At the sentencing, Kagel's father and sister saw something in Saafi. They asked the judge to show him mercy, give him the lightest sentence possible.

"The feeling that my dad and I had when we left the courtroom that day was unexplainable and empowering," Shayna Kagel said Friday. She thought that Saafi had a chance to make something of himself one day, maybe work with troubled teens like his friend Tosi.

She's upset about his death. She feels for his family. She's glad she forgave him.

Saafi was supposed to get out in 2012.