good HD options for a small-statured single mother?

My thought is get her enrolled into a basic firearms course designed for new and inexperienced shooter.

Have her shoot as many types of firearms as possible.

Let her select the one which best suits her situation.

In the mean time get her an ABC Dry Chemical fire extinguisher. It is one of the best non-lethal self defense systems on the market.
 
Back when you could find the ammo, I would have recommended a revolver or semi-auto in .22lr (her preference, of course). With a good quality load, it could defend her home adequately. The practice ammo is (was) cheap, encouraging practice & helping her save for training. And a good .22lr handgun is just plain fun to shoot, encouraging more & deeper participation in shooting. I lean more toward revolvers mainly for ease of maintenance & price of speedloaders vs. magazines.

Besides.....as we all know, the .22lr is the "gateway caliber".....get them hooked on it first, then they'll start looking to get on the heavier stuff.... :D
 
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Sorry Frank, you are correct and I should have clarified my last statement. It was an answer to Spacemanspiffs question. I did not mean to imply that a wheel gun was the only correct choice.
 
idek,

My usual answer to that question is "Use what you are best with." If she's a new shooter, then she won't know yet what she has the most confidence in using. The point of the current exercise is to get her started in figuring out the answer to that question.

I'm glad to see Kathy's site mentioned early in the thread, and doubly so to see Kathy herself weighing in. As long as your friend is physically healthy she shouldn't have any problems running whatever firearm she chooses. I tend to agree that a semiauto handgun is probably the best starting point for her, and that a small or medium frame 9mm is probably a good way to get started for her in figuring out her eventual solution. But as has been mentioned, hardware (toolset) is the easiest part of the process to master. Mindset and skillset are far more important, and take a lot more work.

Please offer her all the encouragement you can!
 
Agree with everything Pax said, including that if you're not willing to train, you shouldn't be using a firearm.

That said, the woman described does not sound to me like a candidate for a shotgun. After I bought a Mossberg 500 in the wake of a neighborhood murder when we lived in Kalifornia, I hired a police firearms trainer to work with both of us in the use of a 12-gauge. She shot it fine, but hated the recoil. A 20 would certainly be easier to shoot, but the issue of recoil remains, tho to a lesser extent.

My wife has been to the range with me a number of times, and can shoot all my handguns well. But again, recoil is her issue, and the only gun she really enjoys shooting is my Smith 22a. She is not a tiny woman and exercises daily, so strength is not an issue.

All that leading up to the idea that a .22mag revolver or semi-auto might provide our subject with a relatively effective round in a recoil-free weapon. Because of the lack of recoil to deal with in returning to target, it could be the easiest to learn to use effectively. I understand the feelings about sub-caliber guns for SD, but having and being able to use a .22mag would be better, I think, than trying to utilize a gun for which our subject appears to be ill-equipped, both by stature and inclination.

Having children in the house is an issue, but it's the same issue with a .22 or a .50; access must be denied to young children, whatever the gun you choose. Price is also in the ballpark, with Taurus and Charter (I think) offering wheelguns for .22mag. Smith has two, I believe, but both are higher in price, at least when purchasing new.

IMHO, of course.
 
home defense/firearms on a limited budget/skill level...

First, I'd advise you to sit down with her & really talk about her concerns/defense plans. She needs to know & understand the use of force laws and, more importantly, be able to use lethal force in a critical incident.

If she can't devote the time, $ and/or resources or won't use lethal force against another human being DO NOT buy her a firearm.
Also, let her rent or shoot a few different models. If she can't operate a semi auto pistol or safely load/unload/fire a DA only revolver then she isn't ready for a firearm. It sounds simple but many people can't safely work a slide or pull a DA revolver trigger.
If she does want to get a new handgun or buy a weapon & meets the criteria, I'd suggest a simple DA only snub revolver in .38spl. A Ruger LCR, a S&W model 638 a 442/642 or a 649. She can buy a Blackhawk SERPA J frame holster & add a CT lasergrip. For defense, .38spl +P or .380acp is the lowest I'd go. I'd also advise her to only use factory made ammunition for home defense no reloads or hand-loads. Her safety & well being are no place to go cheap or cut corners.

Encourage her to take a safety class & learn proper tactics.

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I too would recomend a semi auto pistol for the following reasons. A hundgun can easily be stored in a small safe, either biometric or push buttom combination lock (less exspensive),to keep the kids safe yet have it quickly accessable. Also, you can store it with no round chambered and still get it into action quickly with a little practice. Its easier to reload under stress, and she can keep it on her person if needed even if only at home. The biggest complaint I've heard from new women shooters is being able to rack the slide on a semi-auto. That can be learned with a little instruction and practice once she understands that it is a matter of technique rather than strength. She should be able to find a decent pistol with an extra mag, and a small safe in the $500 range. The lower dollar pistols like Keltec can be had new for around $300 or less and unless you plan on putting thousands of rounds through them should be plenty servicable for home defense. Just be sure she puts enough rounds through it to establish its reliability. I've owned 5 Keltecs and never had an issue but the lower cost guns may have a higher percentage of "lemons" so make sure you can count on it. That leaves money for a bedside safe, ammo, maybe even a little formal training. :)
 
Ruger480, I am envious. I am probably one of the few whose hands just don't feel natural with a wheel gun in them. I wish I was proficient with them, but a semiauto feels more natural for my mitts.
 
I have been thinking about the same thing, lately. My wife has expressed a want for a gun for protection in the home, when I am gone, and while she is not little, she has arthritis, and not a lot of strength, and regardless of what some of you say, I know she would probably have problems racking the slide on many semi's, and even a pump, plus if either one is not done correctly a jam may occur.

I am thinking about a shotgun, and cheap double might work, but not a hammer gun. I have considered an H & R Single shot, but they are pretty light and kick pretty hard, also even the 20ga single barrels can have a pretty vicious kick, because they are pretty light.

What I am considering is an old used Trap gun single barrel, because they are heavy, even if I cut the barrel down, and even one that is pretty worn out, will often be of much better quality then the H & R, but they are still more expensive. I have found a kind of rough old Winchester 101 single barrel trap for 500 and I am leaning towards it. Put a shell carrier on the stock, and go. It's very simple and loose enough to be easy to open and close. All she has to do is pick it up and load one round, close, push safety foward and pull the trigger if needed. No hammer to manipulate, even. If she fires it, the empty will eject when she opens it, and she can load another from the shell carrier. This is probably all she needs.

I have also found an old Lefever Trap gun, also but it's 600 and tax, however is much nicer, probably too nice. One thing I do sorta like about it is it doesn't have a safety, you just load it, and you either pull the trigger or you don't. It doesn't get much simpler then that, not even a safety to think about.

Of course I could just give her a Glock 19, load it with one up the pipe and all she would have to do is pick it up and pull the trigger, but I don't really think she needs that kind of readiness. I would much rather have an unloaded singlebarrel shotgun accessible which would only take few seconds to load.

The single shot is probably all of the fire power needed and pretty fool proof.
 
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Having never fired one, I am very tempted to recommend a Makarov due to its size, relatively small round with a decent punch, affordability, and being able to fire even if they're fairly abused.
 
Everyone talks about racking the slide.
If I was keeping a semi auto pistol for home defense around children it would be in a biometric safe.
If it were in a biometric safe it would be stored with a round in the chamber.
An HK P30-L would make a great gun for someone with small hands, which is why I have one in the first place, but it is not an inexpensive gun.
In the 12,000 rounds that have gone through my P30-L I have had only 1 faire to feed and that was due to a Glocked reload.
Yes clearance drills are important but so is reliability.

I also see no reason why not to go with a revolver for someone who does not want to do extensive training with a handgun.

Not everybody wants to spend time doing malfunction drills instead of learning basic shooting fundamentals.
 
I would never use a biometric safe. They seem great in theory. In practice, they're almost more likely to stall you in getting the one object that could save your life in the critical moment than they are to open up without issues. A quick google search will show you exactly why this type of safe is a bad idea.

If you insist on an electronic handgun box, get one with a combination. I'd recommend getting a mechanical combination lockbox instead, however. No batteries to die at the worst possible moment.
 
1. She's barely over five feet tall, and she's not very strong physically.

2. As a single mother of two, working full time, her training time would be limited.

3. Budget for the gun, ammo, and accessories would be rather limited. Probably $500 or less for initial purchase, and less expensive practice ammo would be preferred.

4. As alluded to already, young kids are in the house.
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Of the 4 listed conditions, the one that always bothers me more than all the others put together is the admission or suspicion that training will be limited by time or budget.

And the rest of the details:

I don't know if she would have the right mindset to use a deadly weapon or the dedication to become properly trained with one. And maybe the challenges that arise from keeping a gun in a house with kids around would outweigh the benefits for her.
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In a HD scenario, if your choice of mindset or anything else prevents you from actually using the tool in your hand or nightstand, then the boogieman will have your weapon in his hand, and just maybe it's the only one on the scene, and it is now going from a really bad situation to way way worse.

My suggestion would be to harden the perimeter of her home to the highest degree possible. If her home, that is much easier than a rental, but even as a tenant, many landlords are agreeable that the safety of tenants is a good thing.

If the total budget to increase her safety, somehow, is say, $400, take maybe a third of that and install 1.) better locks on doors and windows, 2.) Motion detecting light fixtures, at front, back and garage doors, pointed out towards the exterior 3.) Become familiar with neighbors and their capabilities and intentions, good or bad. Learn who can be counted on for help when that scary bump-in-the-night occurs. 4.) Develop a plan for home security, regarding answering (or not) the doors and the phone, especially kids that always assume someone at the door is welcome. Keep a cell phone in hand with 911 in speed dial. Lastly, contact local law enforcement to see what response time can be expected, day and night, and be sure to ask them what the history is of your choice of neighborhoods. And if you find your neighborhood is bad for a single mom, figure out how to move to a better one.

A gun may be the worst choice for anyone scared or not trained to use it.
 
Got my mom, a vehemently anti-gun bleeding heart sinkhole of a liberal, a ruger LCR in 38spc. Never looked back. She now loves shooting, and packs all day. Still hates black rifles and hi cap mags though, next I'll get her a Colt LE or SP :) If this woman isn't the type for a swift wrist bend but light recoil like low power loads in a 38spc, i'd say point her toward a short barrelled 20 gauge.

Only reason I say short barreled is that I was in a quasi-HD situation, and had a 500 with the stock Slugster barrel on it, which I believe was 22 or 24 inches, and that was an absolute nightmare to wield, and I'm 6 ft 185, for 350 she can have a mossy 500 and an 18.5 smoothie barrel. Can't beat it. Even a Stevens or an Escort are gonna come to under 500 with some modifications and more than enough ammunition to familiarize and keep. Shotguns are great because she could realistically learn in 50 rounds or less. Not the case on a pistol.

Buuuut, she might not be able to wield a shotgun effectively, maybe except a .410, so I'd say Ruger LCR all day. And for a 9mm with next to no recoil and can fit small hands, Ruger P95.

Note: 60 years old, 5 foot 3, 110 lbs. She wanted a .45. Recoil is more in the persons preference as opposed to size. I had a girlfriend who was like 5'2" and 105, she loved my Sigma in 40 (worst kick like ever on an autoloader) and my male friend, 6 foot 5, 250-300 lbs, doesn't even like to shoot snubby .38's. If recoils that much of an issue, Sig Mosquito or Walther P22, its HD so it wont go through her walls and hit kids, small, easy to shoot, and extremely lethal in that close of proximity. A friend of mine, combat medic, iraq vet, only uses .22s for primary home defense. Just sayin. Recoil = Eye of beholder. My $0.02
 
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I really hate to say it but never "count" on the police to show up. I've lived its two states. Both in town and in the country and have never seen a cop show up unless domestic violence is involved. Many of those where I live and my family have called them for burglars. Not one time have they showed up. You know what they say? Call back if there is an injury! The police are not there to protect you. The supreme court says it the polices job to just arrest criminals and not to protect you. I know, I know. Protect and sever. That's just words on the side of the car. Don't think I'm talking bad about cops because I'm not. I've known over 20 of them and most were good and honest. Most would even put their lives on the line for a complete stranger. The problem is if they're not told to go to you home how will them know to go there. In the county I live in today the people have voted year after year to decrease the sheriff's budget because they don't show up when they really need them to. Yet they seem to have all the time in the world to write speeding tickets.
If someone is not willing to devote the time to learn to defend them selves than their priorities are messed up. Especially if they have kids. It's your job to protect your children because they can't protect themselves.

Just my .02. Your experiences my very. I hope I don't offend anyone. Boomer
 
The Hi-Point Carbine, as someone mentioned before, would be an excellent choice. They are: Lightweight, durable, can be purchased inexpensively, do not require a great deal of maintenance, and are very accurate. Since the are offered in popular pistol calibers up to .45 then plenty of stopping power available, and given the semi auto carbine design, a great combination. I trained my Daughter (she is also petite in stature) with it, with excellent results.

If you are going to advise her, go the extra mile and train her ! Then, you can feel confident she can handle herself in a defensive situation.
 
Even though I keep loaded autos for HD, revolvers would work as well. The thing about a revolver is with kids around I'd opt for a SA without a round in the chamber. The problem for a small person might be racking the slide on some pistols. That would have to be addressed.

A decent inexpensive 9mm (SD9VE) and some training and practice would be my suggestion. Shooting for center mass can be accomplished easily enough I think, but becoming proficient in the operation and handling of pistol would be where I'd spend the time practicing.....and making sure she has the ability to shoot someone if needed.
 
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