going out to eat and seating

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im not so concerned with with robberies, but with nut jobs coming in and firing off a bunch of rounds, like has happened in california several times over the last few years.
 
Lots of good advice:)

Just that I don't want to mentally run through a "Check-List" of tactical options each time I go out to eat, which is often (no wife to cook):(

I keep two basic rules:

1. Mix/sit close to the crowd at a point where you can see most of the activity in the resturant. (this allows you to camouflage your threat response with the hysterics of the crowd's reaction).

2. Don't sit next to the restrooms. ( Hostilities usually enter through the front/rear doors or the subject enters the restroom from the crowd to "gear up"; exits and that poor soul next to the "Johnny Door" gets the warm-up shot, establishing the mindset of the subject.

Just thoughts...
 
While not carrying CW, I still like back to wall etc. but I also like to be able to watch the honeys. Ticks me off when I gotta do a fake throat clearing cuz momma goes for my seat... She just says "Sorry hun..." and moves... After 20 dang years married she might wait for me to pick or just sit with back to door.:rolleyes:
Brent
 
Damn!
I don't know what I walked into when I registered here, You guy's are starting to sound like the people I lived near in Nebraska a while back... ;)

Always saying the same thing many of you are... But guess what fellers?

Remember that Christmas Mall shooting in Omaha last year or the year before, where the kid walked in and just killed everybody that was dumb enough to stand there?

Well I know of THREE concealed carry people that were with in 100 feet of that lunatic teenager, that RAN and HID when the schitt hit the fan, just like all the girls and school kids.:rolleyes:

They also talked tactically about where they "automatically sit favoring their shootin' hand" and all the same old same old, all because they seen some good old kick ass Gangster movies...

I'm not trying to rain on your parade guy's, I think you're all pretty damn helpful as a group, and have some very helpful posts, and a lot of informative reading!

I'm just gonna end my post with how I sit when I go out. :cool:

I sit wherever the hell I want' cuz there aint nobody on this here God's Lovely Green Earth ornery enough, tough enough, gritty enough, big enough, or Sneaky enough (not even them little ninjer fella's) ta come a shootin' up any place that I might be havin' my vittles!

Next time you go out to eat, and you go to your favorite place to hog on some grub, and you walk in, and a strange peacefulness settles all over you like a warm blanket... You can rest assured that it's ME koolminx, sittin' there with my back to the rest of the world protecting YOU from the bad guy's... :D :D :cool: Gee aint I a nice feller?


-K
 
I don't worry about giving up the better seat to my dad or a few of my buddies. I take the opportunity to slip from condition "red" to "yellow". Also, you get a little practice keeping an eye on your "partner's" 6. Look out for that crazed cook and etc.
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I'm not trying to pick on you, really I'm not, but you really need to understand the color code system better if you are going to put it out there for all the world to see.

You cannot maintain "Red" indefinately, unless YOUR red is everybody else's yellow.

Biker
 
I don’t have color coded conditions. I just go out and live. If something bad happens I just hope I respond appropriately. If that means running, then so be it. If there's no place to run, then hopefully I'll keep my head enough that I can use my firearm.
 
This just makes me laugh. I lived in the US for over 10 years and never felt need be paranoid. Do you guys have lots of enemies that you sit facing the exit, etc. I guess you guy never had people after you with guns. Sorry but this sounds childish, and like some one who wants to be a hunted 'wanabe'.
Or perhaps you are runing out of excuses to buy new handgun. How do ppl put up with this sort or wierd attitude???
 
I have at times had serious enemies but that is not the point. Situational awareness is...
You need not be paranoid or a hunted person to be caught up in violence.
Firepower, You obviously have not seen the news more than once or twice in the last 20 years have you?
Brent
 
Firepower - some of us developed these habits while eating out in uniform. Anyone in any kind of emergency services or military uniform is a prime target when the action starts.

koolminx - Seating yourself so that you can have a good view of your surroundings does not imply a desire to engage any miscreant who starts something. It may be much harder for you to understand that priority #1 is to survive, even if that means not engaging. And for most of us, being able to get our family out of the kill zone supercedes any concept of heroic engagements. But then, most of us don't have the advantage of exuding an aura of badness that will make Chuck Norris and Vin Diesel belly crawl out the back door when we walk in either. :rolleyes:

G-Man, as BikerRN pointed out, you need to refamiliarize yourself with the color code, preferrably Jeff Cooper's version. But you did bring up a good point about practicing watching your partner's six. Of course, that implies your partner is someone alert and aware enough to spot potential trouble at your six. Unlike my ex who doesn't pay much attention to anything more than 12 feet away from her "bubble".
 
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How about just enjoying a nice dinner out, rather than being worried about impending danger at every moment.

Certainly, common sense is needful in every situation, and common sense in a restaraunt would generally dictate that you should just relax and enjoy your food.
 
How about just enjoying a nice dinner out, rather than being worried about impending danger at every moment.

Certainly, common sense is needful in every situation, and common sense in a restaraunt would generally dictate that you should just relax and enjoy your food.
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Because a responsible gun owner is prepared at all times. That’s why in the shower I put a 1911 in a condom and duct tape it to my thigh. Yes, reloads are taped to my other thigh. You never know when those scrubbing bubbles might attack.

Where I put my bug in the shower I’ll leave up to your imagination.;)
 
Because a responsible gun owner is prepared at all times. That’s why in the shower I put a 1911 in a condom and duct tape it to my thigh. Yes, reloads are taped to my other thigh. You never know when those scrubbing bubbles might attack.
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This is just soooooooooooooo funnnnyyyyy!
 
Firepower, You obviously have not seen the news more than once or twice in the last 20 years have you?
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Ha ha ha.. Sorry I missed the daily NEWS of people getting ambushed at local IHOPs! What? Yes, its the pancakes with shifty eyes.
 
I sit anywhere but the lounge/bar area, since that's not allowed with a CFL. Beyond that, I enjoy my meal. If someone comes in blasting with a silencer, I guess I'm screwed, but other than that, I can hear when gunshots and screams ring out. I maintain the general mindset of not being stupid and doing what's right for myself and others. All anyone can do is hope that they'll react to a situation appropriately. That goes for mass shootings and ordering your meal equally.
 
I typically don't worry about it. When we get to the table, its polite to seat the ladies in my party before I sit down. Most don't know that I have a firearm or have any clue as to my seating preference.

All things being equal, I prefer to sit with with my gun towards the inside of a booth, towards a wall, or anywhere there will be fewer people likely to see it. This is only because I may want to take my jacket off and not want to expose or print my gun (depending on dress). I've always been accustomed to putting my back to the wall if able, but it certainly wouldn't make me leave if I couldn't.

All in all, if I am the first to arrive and get a table, I take a prefered seat. If not, I still sit comfortably and enjoy my meal.
 
We hear all too often terms like random violence, target of oppurtunity, and unintended victim... While you may hear the shooting start, I am told you won't hear the one that kills you. It is that slim chance I will be able to tell folks are up to no good. It is the * "read" the "tells" * I am hoping for...
Brent
 
mostly I try to sit reasonably close to an exit (that includes big plate glass windows :D ).

Beyond that I do like to at least keep an eye on the doors.

I'm also in the club that likes to sit with my firearm on the "inside" (near the wall or whatever) but this is mostly because in Va if you carry in a place that serves alcohol you have to carry openly. Va natives don't tend to even notice but I live in a fairly touristy town and sometimes the out-of-towners get nervous if they notice.
 
I sit where they want to seat me unless I find the seating uncomfortable, such as too close to other people. Basing my seating position on "how can I best survive if BGs come in to kill everybody" seems like such an exercise in absurdity to me that I can't even visualize it. If you are that worried, eat at home with the doors locked and the bunker curtains secured.
 
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