Gloks Are Now Iegal to sell in Massachussets

Does anyone know for certain which brands have been put to the safety test and failed?
They seem to be going after Lorcin, Davis, Jennings,etc. (which are most likely going out of business anyway, due to lawsuits.) Will Kimbers pass the muzzle down drop test since they don't have a firing pin block? Any Mass. dealers out there heard any rumours?
 
Atticus:

The state isn't going to do the tests. Instead, it is up to each manufacturer that wants to sell in MA to hire an independent lab to do the tests. So it isn't just whether or not the gun will pass the tests. It is also whether or not the manufacturer feels the MA market is worth doing the tests for.

Regarding Kimber, the drop test is the least of their worries. New semi-auto handguns are required to have either a magazine safety or a chamber-loaded indicator. The Kimber has neither of those. If a semi-auto has an external extractor (like an HK USP), then it is very easy to add a chamber-loaded indicator. They can simply put a little red paint on the extractor. If there is a cartridge in the chamber, the extractor will protrude a bit, so the red paint will show, so you can call it a chamber-loaded indicator. This is exactly what HK did.

However, the standard M1911 design has an internal extractor. Therefore this technique cannot be used.

So it is my interpretation that most M1911s (including Kimbers) will not meet the regulations, regardless of whether or not they will pass the drop test.

Is the MA market worth it to Kimber to significantly redesign their pistols?

Note, there are some exceptions. For example, if you look at wilson combat's web page and look at their KZ-45 pistol, you will see that it has an external extractor. But I don't think the rest of their pistols have an external extractor.

Jared
 
Just as a side note to anyone who may be snickering(btw I haven't heard or seen any posts that anybody is) about what has happened to MA gun owners.

All that the A/G has done is enacted regualtions that were drafted by the previous A/G. He did nothing but simply decide to enforce what has been on the books since '98. I don't know the entire story but I guess he was waiting for the amount of time that the gun industry had to appeal the '98 regs to expire. Looks like the gun lobby big shots dropped the ball big time.

Once they did, he jumped up on stage in a scene that reminded me of Al "I'm in charge" Haig. "If the gun industry wants to do business in my state, they are going to have to go through me!" (Basically something to that effect)

I've called all my congressmen, the Governer's office etc to let my position be known. It still boggles my mind how the "safe" used 19 on the shelf in my local shop is still legal for sale but the brand spanking new 19 next to it is a cheap inferior unsafe handgun.

My friends used to make fun of me for buying all my different handguns....."Geez..how many can you shoot at one time?" Looks like a pretty good move now....What makes me sad is the reaction I see that people have in my local gunshop. They see the sign restricting the sale of any new handguns..."When did this happen?" "Oh well bummer man". Who needs anti's when we have so many "I don't give a (*&^" gunowners???

Oh ...the original point of my post :) The A/G enacted these regs under the consumer protection safety laws.......34 other states A/G's are looking to see how this goes in MA...if it holds.......don't ever say it won't happen here because it can and it WILL
 
Oh one other sidenote.......believe or not, when I called the A/G's office to voice my displeasure, I was dumped off into voicemail....great I thought. I left my message voicing my opinion and a # that I could be reached at to confirm that they got my message.

1/2 hour later I get a call from the A/G's office. The woman actually thanked me for my comments and asked if there was anything else I'd like to add. She said ALL opinions where being tabulated by the A/G whether good or bad. The fact that she even called me back gave me a little bit of optimism however slight it might be.

Now on the other hand...........I noticed that I hadn't heard a peep from the NRA on this whole matter so.........I decided to give them a jingle and find out what they had in store. After all I'm a card carrying, dues paying member from Massachusetts. I wanted to know how my and all the other MA residents money we have given to the NRA is being used to help us.

I call up and some guy answers the phone. Sounds like I either woke him up or he just came in from running a marathon. I wasn't even sure I called the right # as he mumbled out "NRA" or something like that. The conversation goes something like this:

Me: Hi- I'm a MA NRA member and I'm extremely upset about what the MA A/G has done.

NRA guy: Uh-huh

Me: So what does the NRA have planned to combat this??

NRA guy: Umm...nothing has been planned yet I think.

Me: ????Excuse me?????

NRA guy: Well we haven't really looked at it closely enough.

Me: So all us MA NRA members have our butts hanging in the breeze??????

NRA guy: No I didn't say that. I said the NRA hasn't looked at it closely enough to take a course of action yet.

Me: Thanks for nothing

NRA guy: Thanks for calling the NRA G'day


I kid you not people......it went just like that. I hope to high heaven that some janitor answered the phone and was yanking my chain. People tell me "well its really a state issue" the NRA is more our Federal arm......if enough states start to enact these consumer protection laws, we'll have no need for any help with Federal laws.

For crying out loud we just had Heston speaking in this state no more than a week before these regs were enacted!!!!!!

My dues money will be going to G.O.A.L(already a member) this year. It's nice hear gunshop clerks even saying "The NRA has written off MA as a no win situation"

Great...this is just great
 
Grapeshad do a Mass brotgher in arms a favor and send me an email with those phone numbers. By the way goal is planning a rallyat the state house on April 24, hope to see you and all the other Mass or Northeast TFLers there for that matter!
 
Please E-mail me a contact address (e-mail) for the Mass AG's office. I'd like to express my opinion to that Constitutional rapist!

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I don't CARE about pretty....I just want dangerous.
 
Here ias link to the MA A/G's homepage......
www.ago.state.ma.us/


I could not find an email address for him on his page(big suprise)

The phone # to call is 617-727-2200. Give them a call, they'll listen.

Oh here is what I was talking about regarding the big boys dropping the ball:

"The industry has unsuccessfully worked to kill the regulations, which were originally issued - but never implemented - by Attorney General Scott Harshbarger in 1997.The court battle ended last week when the industry failed to meet the deadline for appeal of a superior court judge's order upholding the regulations."

Failed to meet the deadline? What ? They forget???
 
Grapeshad,

I have actually heard the same thing about California. That the NRA has written us off as a no win situation.

That pisses me off. I dropped my NRA membership because I do not see the NRA doing anything active in the fight for our right of self-protection.

I give my lmited funds to organizations that make a difference:
Gun Owners of America
Gun Owners of California
Citizens of America
Second Amendment Foundation

Citizens of America is actually starting a series of pro-gun radio ads the week of 4/17
on KEZR 106.5 FM (Santa Clara, Cal) between 3:00-7:00PM.

That is actual grassroots action that can make a difference and I feel my money is being well spent. Unlike the NRA and responses like you received from your phonecall.
 
I guess the Glock is inherently unsafe because if you put your finger inside the triggerguard and depress the trigger the gun will fire, and that might harm some criminal and actually save your life...and since liberals don't get votes from us but only the stupid and the evil members of society, harming a criminal actually deprives them of their voter base! If anyone has any unsafe Glocks they want to sell, call me.
 
Please don't abandon the NRA. If we don't hang together...you know the rest. The lackey on the phone obviously does not know anything, so his comments are speculative at best. It's not that much per year, so do what I do and join and support all 2nd amendment groups

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"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with Army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege." Wilson vs. State, Ark. 1878
 
Wolf I called the NRA today and got the same response from a girl. My interpitation is that the NRA is always too little too late. Instead of grabbing the bull by the horns anddoing something to head it off. They wait till it takes effect then try to repeal it? The gun manufacturers are no better. Just you wait and see it'll be coming to a state near you soon! By the way on Colt's website under news and views is some interesting stuff . Under the June 16 1999 heading. LA Superior Court Judge David M. Schacter states "Shall we eliminate all products which can be used by the mentally disturbed and criminals to harm others? With regard to firearms, do we eliminate cheap guns first? If so, the end result would be that only the rich could own guns, which would return us to the weapons controls of the feudal age when only the nobles and their retainers were allowed to carry arms or hunt. Under the guise of banning one class of a product, is the actual intent to ban all?" " If we eliminate one product, those bent on injury or death will find another. If we continue to eliminate each new product, soon there will be no new products left. The answer is to find out what caused the person to destroy, not to destroy the implements of their rage." This is the guy who should be leading the NRA!
 
Folks:

In MA, the NRA generally defers to the Gun Owner's Action League http://www.goal.org

GOAL is actively fighting against this stuff, but realize that gun owners in MA are like Custer's troopers at the last stand. We're vastly outnumbered.

The NRA's got enough problems to worry about on the national level.

If you're a Massachusetts resident, you should be a member of GOAL (for state issues) and the NRA (for national issues).

Jared
Member, GOAL
Life Member, NRA
 
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