Glocks vs other striker fired pistols

HK VP9, Sig P320, or a Walther PPQ. The VP9 felt as though it melted into my hand due to the shape of the grip, and the PPQ is pretty close as well. You can buy replacement frames for the Sig at a pretty reasonable price, although I have only shot them using the stock grip. The M&P fits me pretty well too, but each time I shoot one back to back with a Glock I find that I prefer the Glock trigger.

I have a USPc, and the VP9 is nothing like it. I've also owned the P2000sk, and the VP9 (or P30) feels like another evolution for the brand. I had the chance to shoot a P30 and VP9 back to back, and both are solid shooters.
 
Savage if you can find one.
The 1907... In 32 or 380? I owned a 32 at one point and have to say it really was a nice pistol and functioned much more reliably than the other autoloaders of that era I have handled. No tool takedown. Now, there are supposedly a handful of 45 ACPs around from the trial. Recoil is supposed to be harsh.

9mm Glock, XD, M&P will all work great. Sig 320 might be where I would start if I was starting over.
 
The 1907... In 32 or 380? I owned a 32 at one point and have to say it really was a nice pistol and functioned much more reliably than the other autoloaders of that era I have handled. No tool takedown. Now, there are supposedly a handful of 45 ACPs around from the trial. Recoil is supposed to be harsh.

or one of their (scarce) .45s.

Ian at Forgotten Weapons has a video, just up, on the Savage .45 variants. http://www.forgottenweapons.com/savage-45-acp-pistols-history-disassembly-video/
 
I'm a Glock guy and always will be.

But if not Glock then the Walther PPQ is a great gun, and would be my choice. Ergonomics are excellent.

Now they have a 45ACP PPQ

HK VP9 is good, wish HK mags were cheaper and wish it was a 17 round gun given its size but its ergonomics are fantastic

I like the trigger on the Steyr M9 but not sure the ergonomics would work for everyone.
 
What other striker fired, double stack auto loaders do you recommend I try?


Have you looked at non-striker pistols and ruled them out for some reason?

I used to shoot xdm a lot, then switched to cz75 pattern guns and hardly touch the xdm anymore.


But among striker guns, the long slide ppq is about as good as they get.
 
What is it about the Glock ergonomics that you don't like? Grip angle, grip shape, and control size and layout are all aspects of a guns ergonomics.

I don't care much for Glock's ergonomics from all of the above except the grip angle. I still prefer a steeper grip angle on my handguns though.

Right now I put four models as top tier. They are top tier because of their ergonomics, very good trigger characteristic (best out of the box), and over all quality. They have all proven to be very accurate in every example (many) that I've shot.


1. HK VP: Has the same grip panels and back straps as the P-30 series. Has a combination of 27 grip configurations. Has my favorite magazine release with paddles in the trigger gaurd.

2. Sig 320: Grip/frame size can be changed and has the biggest changes for grip sizes. The internal firing mechanism can be switched out with different grips/frames and barrel/slide lengths. Word is something good will be released for Shot Show this year for the 320.

3. Steyr M-A1/L-A1: I consider this a Gen 10 Glock. They have the same or very similar grip angle as the Glock. It has a very comfortable grip shape and yet hear from someone personally who does not like it, even though it's no adjustable. They come with trapezoidal sights that some love and some hate. I'm neutral and shoot them fine but, prefer three dots when push comes to shove. The have a unique look and maybe on of the best magazine,grip junctions. The have pretty low recoil/muzzle flip due to it balance, low bore axis, and grip position.

4. Walther PPQ: You can get it in either the M1 (Classic) Paddle magazine release (I prefer) or the M2 with the more normal button release. The P-99 AS could really go along here as well. It's a DA/SA striker gun with a decocker and feels similar the the PPQ M1.

The Beretta APX looks to have some promise but, has not been released yet.

On my second tier would be the FN FNS and S&W M&P.
 
Aquaint yourself with the S&W M-P series. It fits most peoples hand perfectly, and that's no accident. A lot of research went into the design of the M & P pistols too.
 
I wish Springfield made a XD slim slide double stack.
Never had an issue with my XD's but I carry a Glock for slim feel and hi capacity.
I'm seeing really good reviews FN compact, but if I remember correctly the width if that gun was issue also.
 
I went through what I consider the three major polymer striker fired guns (Glock, XD, M&P) and I ended with an M&P. I hated the trigger on the XD and the M&P just felt better than the Glock.
 
I'm working on my 9mm striker fired pistol collection right now. So far I'm up to my old Glock Gen 2 19, S&W M&P9, H&K VP9, Steyr M9-A1 and Ruger SR9.

So far my favorite has been the VP9. She has the most ergonomic grip of anything out there to the point you can have the hands of the elephant man and between the backstraps and side panels, there is a combination that is going to fit you. Reliability has been top notch and she's a freakin' laser in my hands!

The Glock is, well, a Glock. Reliable, rugged, accurate enough and aftermarket parts are everywhere. However, the ergonomics are not it's strong point. It works for me in that over time, your grip will adapt to the gun but the Block will not change to fit your hand. Live with it.

The M&P9 is sort of like an updated Glock. Mine has been just as reliable and my particular example hasn't had the accuracy issues that have plagued other samples, particularly the earlier models. The trigger wasn't all that great but a swap out to the APEX kit cured that problem. What is a big improvement over the Glock is the interchangeable backstrap. While not as good as the VP9, it still offers options over the traditional Glock design.

The Steyr has been an interesting pistol. Glock fans will generally mention bore axis and compare it often to the XD with a much higher bore axis. Well, the Steyr is to the Glock as the Glock is to the XD! The bore axis for those that care is probably the lowest on the market. The grip like the Glock is not customizable but I'm not sure that it really needs to be. It's pretty dang comfy as it is. Now the grip angle, like the Glock must be an Austrian thing as it's more akin to a Luger than a 1911. Like the Glock, you have to learn how to grip it or you are going to find yourself shooting high every time. It's a muscle memory thing. The sights are a love it or hate it affair. I like them although like the grip, it takes some getting used to. Now what I don't like is that mine hasn't been 100% reliable from day 1 like my other pistols have been. I've had a few failures to eject/extract but those mainly went away after the first couple hundred rounds. For good measure, I did add a 1911 plunger spring to the extractor spring to provide a little extra tension to the extractor. Like I said, it seems to have broken in now and I haven't had any further issues but I need to fire more ammo through it before I would rely on it like the others.

The Ruger SR9 is a nice pistol for the money. It's been reliable and has the best trigger out of all my pistols in this class. It's accuracy has however, not been nearly as good as the others. Another issue is that the rear sight won't adjust low enough to avoid shooting high. I am thinking pulling the screw and filing off the bottom a little will cure this problem. The ergonomics of the grip are pretty good even with the limited adjustments of flat or arched backstrap being the only adjustment. If you like the 1911, you'll like the SR9. I don't mind the huge loaded chamber indicator but I don't like a magazine disconnect safety. The previous owner must have thought the same and had already removed this easy to pull out piece though.

The soon to be added:
First on the "to buy" list is a Walther PPQ M1. It is very similar to my beloved VP9 but has been said to have a better trigger. On the other hand, the ergonomics is limited more so than the VP9 in that backstrap is able to be changed but the side panels of the VP9 don't exist on the PPQ.

Next on the list is the Canik TP9SA. A low cost Turkish made variant of the Walther P99 and from a lot of reports, a good performer. What I don't care for is the decocking plate that when depressed will leave you with a dead trigger until the slide is cycled. Knowing how Turks carry their weapons, I can understand why they wanted this feature but IMHO, it's a detriment that leaves open the possibility of going wrong at the worst possible time. However, that problem can be cured with a couple pieces of a wire coat hanger blocking that plate from being depressed. The other issue is that parts are not really available and Century Arms, the importers, don't have the best of reputations as far as warranty work. Better than some, but not nearly as good as most.
 
I put about 150 rounds through the XD today and it did fine and it felt better than a Glock 17 but I just didn't shoot it as well as I do the Glock. Then next one I'll try will be the M&P.
 
After trying more options I settled on the Glock 19. The Ergos aren't to my liking but I plain ol' shoot it better than the others. It's almost like I don't want to like the Glock but I secretly do weird huh?
 
for the record, HK came out with polyemer framed striker fire before Glock.

While we're on antiquities and Glocks, the striker mechanism is nothing new either. It was originally designed by Karl Krnka (a Czech) and is mostly recognized as being used in the M1907 Roth-Steyr Austro-Hungarian cavalry pistol.
 
After trying more options I settled on the Glock 19. The Ergos aren't to my liking but I plain ol' shoot it better than the others. It's almost like I don't want to like the Glock but I secretly do weird huh?

Congrats! :cool: Glad it's working out for you.
 
While we're on antiquities and Glocks, the striker mechanism is nothing new either. It was originally designed by Karl Krnka (a Czech) and is mostly recognized as being used in the M1907 Roth-Steyr Austro-Hungarian cavalry pistol.
That's correct, striker actions have been around a very long time. Before showing up in pistols, they were already common in bolt-action rifles. The Dreyse needle gun used a variant of a striker action as early as the mid-1820s.
 
Ocraknife said:
After trying more options I settled on the Glock 19. The Ergos aren't to my liking but I plain ol' shoot it better than the others. It's almost like I don't want to like the Glock but I secretly do weird huh?
We see "I don't want to like Glocks but found out that I do" threads more often than you might think. I had one, too. ;)

Congratulations on the G19 and shoot it in good health.
 
That's correct, striker actions have been around a very long time. Before showing up in pistols, they were already common in bolt-action rifles. The Dreyse needle gun used a variant of a striker action as early as the mid-1820s.

Except that Krnka's design left the striker only partially cocked when a round was chambered; It required another long DA style pull of the trigger to fully retract the striker and then release it, exactly like the Glock.

The Glock's lockwork and striker principles are an exact copy of Krnka's.
 
striker mechanism is nothing new either. It was originally designed by Karl Krnka (a Czech) and is mostly recognized as being used in the M1907 Roth-Steyr Austro-Hungarian cavalry pistol.

The Dreyse needle gun used a variant of a striker action as early as the mid-1820s.

I really don't know how to express this but this is some quirky/odd/fascinating/complicated/arcane/goofy interest (firearms) we have here.

And the amount of knowledge available on this site is amazing.
 
I really don't know how to express this but this is some quirky/odd/fascinating/complicated/arcane/goofy interest (firearms) we have here.

And the amount of knowledge available on this site is amazing.

Hint: you need to follow Forgoten Weapons.

The Dreyse and the Roth-Steyer are both guns he's covered, either on the blog, or his Youtube channel.
 
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