Glock vs Sig
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I'm sitting this one out, play nice. trigger643
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I've owned Sigs for nearly 30 years and hundreds of thousands of rounds. I've owned dozens and presently have half a dozen or so I shoot regularly. Really my favorite out of the box combat handgun.
However, I do have one Glock I picked up in a horse trade last winter. It is my first and the only one I've had the chance to shoot extensively.
Granted, it's not a 17, but a 24, and its been tuned on just a tad. It is dead-nuts accurate and zero failures in the 3,000 rounds I've put through it this year. Can't say a bad thing about it, though I do wish the mag release button were a little less obtrusive -- and this is a minor and personal defect coming from a lefty.
So, to your question locn, What is the benefit of Sig? I believe the answer, at least coming from me, is subjective. A P226 was the first modern handgun I ever owned. It is the one I trained most with, have grown accustomed to and fits wonderfully in my hand. It balances very well for me and is a pleasure to shoot. It is pure quality and as near to engineered perfection as any handgun I have ever encountered. I perform quite well with Sigs and am confident and comfortable with them.
Is it better than Glock or the most perfect handgun? Again, that's subjective and not impartially quantifiable. It's the one I like and I'm in a position not to be bound by an either or situation.
In short, some guys drive Toyota, some guys drive Lexus. They burn the same gas, take the same oil filter, and make the same commute. But at the end of the day, the guy that measures his self worth by the car he drives or the gun he shoots is probably better off staying on the internet and off the range and our streets.
A few of my junky old P226s and my bright-shiny, er, pretty G24....
However, I do have one Glock I picked up in a horse trade last winter. It is my first and the only one I've had the chance to shoot extensively.
Granted, it's not a 17, but a 24, and its been tuned on just a tad. It is dead-nuts accurate and zero failures in the 3,000 rounds I've put through it this year. Can't say a bad thing about it, though I do wish the mag release button were a little less obtrusive -- and this is a minor and personal defect coming from a lefty.
So, to your question locn, What is the benefit of Sig? I believe the answer, at least coming from me, is subjective. A P226 was the first modern handgun I ever owned. It is the one I trained most with, have grown accustomed to and fits wonderfully in my hand. It balances very well for me and is a pleasure to shoot. It is pure quality and as near to engineered perfection as any handgun I have ever encountered. I perform quite well with Sigs and am confident and comfortable with them.
Is it better than Glock or the most perfect handgun? Again, that's subjective and not impartially quantifiable. It's the one I like and I'm in a position not to be bound by an either or situation.
In short, some guys drive Toyota, some guys drive Lexus. They burn the same gas, take the same oil filter, and make the same commute. But at the end of the day, the guy that measures his self worth by the car he drives or the gun he shoots is probably better off staying on the internet and off the range and our streets.
A few of my junky old P226s and my bright-shiny, er, pretty G24....
I have several Glock pistols, so, this may come with some bias as I only have one Sig (220). I also have Beretta and 1911 pistols. I like the quality and craftsmanship if the Sig, but find a couple of things I don't like about my Sig. The height of the slide, height of the bore axis which increases muzzle rise. The other is the location of the slide catch/release. My high grip from shooting 1911s and Glocks finds me placing my thumb on the slide catch as I shoot, which prevents slide lock on the last round. (A training issue, I know.)
The lower profile slide, lower bore axis, low profile controls make the Glock a more "practical" pistol to me.
The other frustrating thing about my Sig, is that despite the quirks I pointed out, I find that I shoot it really well, and still really enjoy shooting it.
So, I think Glock and Sig are both worth having and I don't intend to get rid of either.
Probably didn't help much.
The lower profile slide, lower bore axis, low profile controls make the Glock a more "practical" pistol to me.
The other frustrating thing about my Sig, is that despite the quirks I pointed out, I find that I shoot it really well, and still really enjoy shooting it.
So, I think Glock and Sig are both worth having and I don't intend to get rid of either.
Probably didn't help much.
I shoot Sigs so much better when I get out past 15 yards there isn't much comparison. Both have put out quite a few dogs over the last 10 years so that is pretty much a toss up. I really like the Sigs made from the mid 90's to around 2004. Made today I think an HK would fair better than either of them in the long run.
noonesshowmonkey
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This is want, not need. If you want a Sig, get one. They are fantastic handguns. Better than a Glock? Who cares. You don't need it to be (and who gives a crap, anyway; both Sigs and Glocks are better shooters than we are). Get a Sig & find out why people are so enamored with them. The P229/P226 are sort of the Glock 19/17 of the hammer fired world. Check out the M11A1, as it compares neatly with the Glock 19.
For me, it all boils down to what 'works' in MY hand.
I had 2 Sigs: P220 Combat and P225. I sold the P220. I was more accurate with my Ruger P97, or S&W M&P, or a couple of my 1911s. Sold the P220 [and an H&K USP 45c].
It felt too 'large' in my hand, and felt like the barrel/slide was too 'high' on the gun for me. The proper term, I was told, is 'High bore axis'.
This is how it worked in MY hand. I will say it had a GREAT trigger and reset.
I kept the P225 as it wasn't worth as much as the P220 Combat, and I was ok with it. It feels great in my hands-until I shoot it. At that point it still feels 'great', but I am not as accurate with it as I want to be, or am with a few other 9mms I own [BHP, KAHR K9 (sold), Baby Eagle (sold), S&W M&P 9c]. I am more accurate than with the Walther P1, but that is great history!
I will say I wish the Sig P225 had a solid slide, instead of the pinned in firing pin block part. Even if it works well, it means anyone who really puts the gun through its' paces will have to change those pins out regularly: an expense not found on most other guns.
Still: 'hi bore axis' and groups that are larger than I am capable with on others.
Enter the Glock. I am in California-so Gen 3 is my only option, no Gen 4.
I have a Gen 3 Glock G22, with the G31 [.357sig] barrel, with the BarSto 40-to-9mm conversion barrel, and an advantage arms .22lr top end.
I love having 4 calibers in 1 gun!
I have to admit I find the fit in my hand 'wrong'. It feels too thick in my hand by far. I don't like the factory trigger [no Ghost Disconnectors for me-California liability issues], as it isn't as smooth as the Sig [with a SRT and short/thin trigger installed].
I don't like the grip angle, as it points 'wrong' for me. 1911/BHP-type angle feels 'better' to me. More importantly, I have to make a conscious effort to line the sights up on it, as my muscle memory makes me point high when I try to present and hit the target rapidly.
The thickness is due to the extra capacity compared to the Sigs I have fired. That said, I found the Sig design to be a bit large for my hands also. Thin grips and the short/thin trigger make the Sig feel good to me- but they are still single-stacks [P220 and P225: obviously the P226/P228/P229 aren't in this category].
Last point of honesty: I don't like the .40S&W round much. I respect it, but it feels like the worst of both worlds, when comparing its' recoil to either the 9x19mm Luger or the .45acp round.
OK: enough of my attitudes and preferences.
I will say this: the glock WORKS.
Despite it feeling 'wrong' to me on multiple levels, I am consistently more accurate with it than I have any right to be, considering how seldom I actually use it at the range.
I wouldn't reload for a Glock-brand barrel. [chamber support issues.] I don't reload anyway [yet].
However, I think the Glock would have to be one of my 'final three' choices of what to keep, if push ever came to shove. I wouldn't be thrilled over it. It doesn't feel as good as a BHP or 1911. However, it is every bit as reliable and I am just as accurate with it as a defensive-prepared BHP or 1911.
I trust them. I just can't bring myself to say I 'like' them. I just can't say anything bad about their performance, as I think they are well-designed firearms.
If I wanted a collectors' piece, I'd keep the SIG brand at all costs. I wouldn't hesitate to trust my [or my wife/daughter/granddaughter]'s life to the reliability of a Sig. I am confident I could hit center mass with one at ranges under 15 yards [my limitation-not the guns']. Yet, my experience with the glock makes me think I would be able to group the shots into the same half of the torso at 15 yards with my G22, while I'd be lucky to get them all on torso with a Sig P220 or P226.
I think the Glock beats older Sigs when it comes to cost of maintenance. Sig owners need to be careful to not let the anodizing get worn completely off the frame rails: so Grease it up! Glock is metal on metal.
So, which brand do I like? Sig.
Which feels better in my hand? Sig.
Which do I like the 'looks' of better? Sig.
Which would I trust my life to? Either.
Which do I shoot better? [defined as more consistent tight groups at ranges up to 15 yards] Glock.
If I could only have one, which would it be? Much as I HATE to admit it: Glock.
Just MY opinion, based on my experiences.
I have NO problem recommending either to anyone.
I had 2 Sigs: P220 Combat and P225. I sold the P220. I was more accurate with my Ruger P97, or S&W M&P, or a couple of my 1911s. Sold the P220 [and an H&K USP 45c].
It felt too 'large' in my hand, and felt like the barrel/slide was too 'high' on the gun for me. The proper term, I was told, is 'High bore axis'.
This is how it worked in MY hand. I will say it had a GREAT trigger and reset.
I kept the P225 as it wasn't worth as much as the P220 Combat, and I was ok with it. It feels great in my hands-until I shoot it. At that point it still feels 'great', but I am not as accurate with it as I want to be, or am with a few other 9mms I own [BHP, KAHR K9 (sold), Baby Eagle (sold), S&W M&P 9c]. I am more accurate than with the Walther P1, but that is great history!
I will say I wish the Sig P225 had a solid slide, instead of the pinned in firing pin block part. Even if it works well, it means anyone who really puts the gun through its' paces will have to change those pins out regularly: an expense not found on most other guns.
Still: 'hi bore axis' and groups that are larger than I am capable with on others.
Enter the Glock. I am in California-so Gen 3 is my only option, no Gen 4.
I have a Gen 3 Glock G22, with the G31 [.357sig] barrel, with the BarSto 40-to-9mm conversion barrel, and an advantage arms .22lr top end.
I love having 4 calibers in 1 gun!
I have to admit I find the fit in my hand 'wrong'. It feels too thick in my hand by far. I don't like the factory trigger [no Ghost Disconnectors for me-California liability issues], as it isn't as smooth as the Sig [with a SRT and short/thin trigger installed].
I don't like the grip angle, as it points 'wrong' for me. 1911/BHP-type angle feels 'better' to me. More importantly, I have to make a conscious effort to line the sights up on it, as my muscle memory makes me point high when I try to present and hit the target rapidly.
The thickness is due to the extra capacity compared to the Sigs I have fired. That said, I found the Sig design to be a bit large for my hands also. Thin grips and the short/thin trigger make the Sig feel good to me- but they are still single-stacks [P220 and P225: obviously the P226/P228/P229 aren't in this category].
Last point of honesty: I don't like the .40S&W round much. I respect it, but it feels like the worst of both worlds, when comparing its' recoil to either the 9x19mm Luger or the .45acp round.
OK: enough of my attitudes and preferences.
I will say this: the glock WORKS.
Despite it feeling 'wrong' to me on multiple levels, I am consistently more accurate with it than I have any right to be, considering how seldom I actually use it at the range.
I wouldn't reload for a Glock-brand barrel. [chamber support issues.] I don't reload anyway [yet].
However, I think the Glock would have to be one of my 'final three' choices of what to keep, if push ever came to shove. I wouldn't be thrilled over it. It doesn't feel as good as a BHP or 1911. However, it is every bit as reliable and I am just as accurate with it as a defensive-prepared BHP or 1911.
I trust them. I just can't bring myself to say I 'like' them. I just can't say anything bad about their performance, as I think they are well-designed firearms.
If I wanted a collectors' piece, I'd keep the SIG brand at all costs. I wouldn't hesitate to trust my [or my wife/daughter/granddaughter]'s life to the reliability of a Sig. I am confident I could hit center mass with one at ranges under 15 yards [my limitation-not the guns']. Yet, my experience with the glock makes me think I would be able to group the shots into the same half of the torso at 15 yards with my G22, while I'd be lucky to get them all on torso with a Sig P220 or P226.
I think the Glock beats older Sigs when it comes to cost of maintenance. Sig owners need to be careful to not let the anodizing get worn completely off the frame rails: so Grease it up! Glock is metal on metal.
So, which brand do I like? Sig.
Which feels better in my hand? Sig.
Which do I like the 'looks' of better? Sig.
Which would I trust my life to? Either.
Which do I shoot better? [defined as more consistent tight groups at ranges up to 15 yards] Glock.
If I could only have one, which would it be? Much as I HATE to admit it: Glock.
Just MY opinion, based on my experiences.
I have NO problem recommending either to anyone.
Tactical Jackalope
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Coming from a guy who always tells people how my muscle memory under stress is tuned to both Glock and SIG. Two of my favorite manufacturers. My advice to you is, both or it doesn't matter! I have and will continue to always trust my life to either manufacturer. They're both low maintenance. Both accurate. Both reliable. They're amazing guns. I've ran my P226 the hardest. 8k through the tube. Above 1k through my P229. And same goes for my old beloved Glock 17 and 19.
With all this said I will say. I prefer SIG to Glock. I just shoot them better and they point more natural for me. I love DA/SA. Their craftsmanship. The strength of their moving parts. How easily they absorb recoil. I can go on for days. I just got home from work. Sleepy as hell. If anything message me. I just ate. Knocking out. Goodnight.
With all this said I will say. I prefer SIG to Glock. I just shoot them better and they point more natural for me. I love DA/SA. Their craftsmanship. The strength of their moving parts. How easily they absorb recoil. I can go on for days. I just got home from work. Sleepy as hell. If anything message me. I just ate. Knocking out. Goodnight.
I own pistols from both companies and they are well designed and well built. I'm keeping them.
You have several Glocks and would like a Sig. No justification is needed. If you have the money, buy what you want. If you are taking money from the family grocery budget or your kids' college funds, save for a while. Even if you decide to sell it later, pistols from quality manufacturers hold their value pretty well; you won't take a bath on it.
You have several Glocks and would like a Sig. No justification is needed. If you have the money, buy what you want. If you are taking money from the family grocery budget or your kids' college funds, save for a while. Even if you decide to sell it later, pistols from quality manufacturers hold their value pretty well; you won't take a bath on it.
Recently sold my last SIG, replaced them all with Glocks (or others).
Primary reason is I prefer a consistent trigger pull over DA/SA. Plus I've always felt the SIG trigger breaks too far back in the pull for my preference, but that's just my preference.
Would I consider a DAK or SAO P229 in the future? Absolutely. They point well and I've never had any reliability issues with the ones I've had over the years.
So it's pretty much up to personal preference as far as I'm concerned.
YMMV
Primary reason is I prefer a consistent trigger pull over DA/SA. Plus I've always felt the SIG trigger breaks too far back in the pull for my preference, but that's just my preference.
Would I consider a DAK or SAO P229 in the future? Absolutely. They point well and I've never had any reliability issues with the ones I've had over the years.
So it's pretty much up to personal preference as far as I'm concerned.
YMMV
Hunter2678
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I still own my p226 enhanced elite and recently sold my gen 4 G19. I could never warm up to the glock's grip angle as I naturally shot it high. I will say that the gen 4 is the best ergo glock design to date IMO & It went bang every time I pulled the trigger. Just couldn't get past that grip angle. I ended up replacing the glock with the M&P 9 and don't regret it for a second as it naturally feels & points worlds better and therefore shoots much better in my hand. As for the 226 there isn't a 9mm pistol that I shoot better, especially at distance i.e. 15 + yds. Its simply confidence inspiring. 
Great ergos..yeah the bore axis is a little higher but it has to be due to the external hammer. It in no way hinders performance to the degree some folks will say it does.
Great ergos..yeah the bore axis is a little higher but it has to be due to the external hammer. It in no way hinders performance to the degree some folks will say it does.
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I did something wrong, so I'll try it again.....
Being a machinist journeyman all my life, I like steel.I have some kind of plastic breaking almost every day. I got a Sig p226 this Spring, and lately I fell in love with the Sig p239. I just bought 2 of them. 1 DA/SA, and 1 DAK, (I guess for spare). To me plastic is just plastic. It's also only my personal opinion.
Being a machinist journeyman all my life, I like steel.I have some kind of plastic breaking almost every day. I got a Sig p226 this Spring, and lately I fell in love with the Sig p239. I just bought 2 of them. 1 DA/SA, and 1 DAK, (I guess for spare). To me plastic is just plastic. It's also only my personal opinion.
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If you are going to be shooting 9mm it makes no difference which gun you choose. If you are going with .40 you need to go with a Sig or at least a Glock 35. All the information is well documented that the smaller Glock won't stand much .40. Glock lovers will **** and moan but it is what it is.
I like Sig, but they are not perfect. One of my complaint is, that the wall thickness at the rail/slide is too thin. (Looking from the back/front). No wonder it bent when dropped.....There is plenty of material on the top to take away to make the side thicker.
Even my "cheapo" CZ m82 is built much thicker....
Even my "cheapo" CZ m82 is built much thicker....
Sig Pxxx and Glocks are very good reliable guns. I have a Sig P6 with P225 springs and slightly tweak (barrel, sights, trigger bar, connector) Glock 34 and have shot other models of both brands. I like them both but for different reasons.
Glock recoil feels slightly sharper than Sig but Glock does not flip up as much as Sig.
Glock has minimal controls and only 1 trigger mode which makes it very simple to use.
Sig has good DA/SA and a very user friendly decocker but the slide release is in the wrong place; my 1911 thumb likes to be on it on the last shot).
The Sig P6 was my CC pistol. Now, it is mainly a range pistol. The Glock 34 I intended to be mainly range pistol from start.
If I had only one (either one) of these pistols, I would be happy. I have both, So, I am twice as happy.
Glock recoil feels slightly sharper than Sig but Glock does not flip up as much as Sig.
Glock has minimal controls and only 1 trigger mode which makes it very simple to use.
Sig has good DA/SA and a very user friendly decocker but the slide release is in the wrong place; my 1911 thumb likes to be on it on the last shot).
The Sig P6 was my CC pistol. Now, it is mainly a range pistol. The Glock 34 I intended to be mainly range pistol from start.
If I had only one (either one) of these pistols, I would be happy. I have both, So, I am twice as happy.
smokehouse4444
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If someone is making a choice between a SIG and a Glock, well then, they just simply need to make an assessment of what is important to them, go and shoot the firearms as much as possible, and then decide. Or don't and get them both if you have a chance to.
This is MY opinion. I have all sorts of different makes and models and brands of handguns. All sorts of different actions. I love my SIG's; an old W. German P220, a W. German P245, and a newer P226 Tacops. If someone gave me a Glock, I'd say, "OK, ummm, thanks", and throw it in a tool box or something.
I have a ton of respect for the Glock, and how it changed the firearm industry. First and foremost, what I don't like about the Glock is the fanboy base that never shuts up about it, and the gun shops that never quit pushing them, even when they are not being asked about, or when it is obviously not the best choice for someone.
That, however, is my own biased dislike for the Glock and it's "industry". The truth is I have tried to like Glock's in the past. I do think they are very good handguns, and they function well. But it feels terrible in my hand, and the trigger feels spongy and vague. People say that Glock's "just work". Well so what, so do my SIG's, S&W's, Kahrs, XDm's, Colts, etc... My XDm owes it's trigger system to the Glock, but feels WAY better to me. I cannot open carry, and I am not a policeman. I have to conceal carry. I would NEVER carry a Glock with one down the pipe concealed carry. People say, "well, just don't touch the trigger". Glad you live in that perfect world. None of my Glock owning CC friends will carry their Glock live. I don't want to be trying to rack the slide in an emergency.
Glock's being ugly? Well, to me the long slide versions do look terrible, but the shorter ones don't look that bad at all. I think the G19 for instance looks just fine.
Are SIG's the end all be all? Neh, but I dang sure like them better. I love the DA/SA. I love that they function like a revolver. No safety's to think about, but it is safe. People complaining about the transition? Honestly, I can't believe that the caliber of shooters out there cannot handle the difference between a revolver's first hurried DA shot, and then the dang thing being cocked for you from then on...and that SA is suweeeet!
Glock's may be easier to completely break down, but I would venture to say that SIG's, as well as several other makes, are easier to bring down for a normal cleaning than a Glock is.
As for the thought that Glock's and SIG's are like comparing Ford's and Chevy's, I would have to disagree. I would say it would be a little more like comparing VW's to Mercedes Benz'. They both run for sure...start up every damn time...very well made. There are those out there that given the option of receiving either car would take the VW. I would venture to guess that the majority would rather have the Mercedes. If you have to buy it, well certainly there are more VW's out on the road, they are simply more affordable.
This is MY opinion. I have all sorts of different makes and models and brands of handguns. All sorts of different actions. I love my SIG's; an old W. German P220, a W. German P245, and a newer P226 Tacops. If someone gave me a Glock, I'd say, "OK, ummm, thanks", and throw it in a tool box or something.
I have a ton of respect for the Glock, and how it changed the firearm industry. First and foremost, what I don't like about the Glock is the fanboy base that never shuts up about it, and the gun shops that never quit pushing them, even when they are not being asked about, or when it is obviously not the best choice for someone.
That, however, is my own biased dislike for the Glock and it's "industry". The truth is I have tried to like Glock's in the past. I do think they are very good handguns, and they function well. But it feels terrible in my hand, and the trigger feels spongy and vague. People say that Glock's "just work". Well so what, so do my SIG's, S&W's, Kahrs, XDm's, Colts, etc... My XDm owes it's trigger system to the Glock, but feels WAY better to me. I cannot open carry, and I am not a policeman. I have to conceal carry. I would NEVER carry a Glock with one down the pipe concealed carry. People say, "well, just don't touch the trigger". Glad you live in that perfect world. None of my Glock owning CC friends will carry their Glock live. I don't want to be trying to rack the slide in an emergency.
Glock's being ugly? Well, to me the long slide versions do look terrible, but the shorter ones don't look that bad at all. I think the G19 for instance looks just fine.
Are SIG's the end all be all? Neh, but I dang sure like them better. I love the DA/SA. I love that they function like a revolver. No safety's to think about, but it is safe. People complaining about the transition? Honestly, I can't believe that the caliber of shooters out there cannot handle the difference between a revolver's first hurried DA shot, and then the dang thing being cocked for you from then on...and that SA is suweeeet!
Glock's may be easier to completely break down, but I would venture to say that SIG's, as well as several other makes, are easier to bring down for a normal cleaning than a Glock is.
As for the thought that Glock's and SIG's are like comparing Ford's and Chevy's, I would have to disagree. I would say it would be a little more like comparing VW's to Mercedes Benz'. They both run for sure...start up every damn time...very well made. There are those out there that given the option of receiving either car would take the VW. I would venture to guess that the majority would rather have the Mercedes. If you have to buy it, well certainly there are more VW's out on the road, they are simply more affordable.
iMagUdspEllr
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It sounds like it makes sense for you to get one just to have one. It also makes sense to stick with what you are familiar with.
I never enjoyed DA/SA. I have owned a PX4 Storm SD .45, PX4 Storm compact 9mm, Sig P250 (a traditional DAO pistol), and I currently own a P229. I guess I have small hands or something but I am not "one" with the DA trigger pull. It is looking like I never will be.
Police and Military can benefit a lot from DA/SA pistols because it is nice having that DA trigger pull preventing you from popping off a round when you don't intend to (e.g. while you are holding a perp at gun-point). It is still a trigger discipline mistake on your part should you do something like that. But, you don't want to be wishing you could take a bullet back.
There is a reason for your confusion. Both guns are solid.
I never enjoyed DA/SA. I have owned a PX4 Storm SD .45, PX4 Storm compact 9mm, Sig P250 (a traditional DAO pistol), and I currently own a P229. I guess I have small hands or something but I am not "one" with the DA trigger pull. It is looking like I never will be.
Police and Military can benefit a lot from DA/SA pistols because it is nice having that DA trigger pull preventing you from popping off a round when you don't intend to (e.g. while you are holding a perp at gun-point). It is still a trigger discipline mistake on your part should you do something like that. But, you don't want to be wishing you could take a bullet back.
There is a reason for your confusion. Both guns are solid.
Why are we comparing guns that both have steel slides, but one has an aluminum frame against one with a steel slide with a polymer frame then?
If you prefer steel in slide and receiver, you may want to look into the CZ-75. No aluminum or polymer there.....
What are your thoughts on the actual steel alloys used in newer sigs? Min particular, the small parts? There has been a move to castings and brittle metals in small parts over the years in sigs. What is interesting is that the aluminum frame seem to have improved over the years. But your point on rail thickness is good, but they rails won't bend if the slide is mounted. Try not to drop field stripped guns would be the best advice.
Personally, I prefer the older sigs with the sheet metal slides. They are lighter, better balanced, and the internals are superlative.
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