Glock Pistol Into A Carbine?

flight954 said:
With the above quote taken into consideration and with the length of time MechTech has been selling these units, why are the MechTech units still available to the general public with zero interference from the BATFE?

Yeah, the guy I talked to touted "10 years and 30,000 units sold." They argued that if the ATF had a problem with their kits, then why would they still be in buisness?

Circular logic.

The truth is that they aren't selling anything illegal. Their kits CAN be used to turn a pistol into a rifle. However, once you turn that pistol into a rifle, you CAN NOT turn it back into a pistol. See the ATF ruling quoted above.

Don't believe me? I don't blame you. Keyboard commandos need to be verified.

ATF NFA branch: 304-616-4500
 
This has been a very informative thread. Thanks rjrivero for the heads up with a call to the BATFE and a little clarity on this subject.
 
Most welcome....

You're most welcome. I'm happy to be of help. It was driving me nutz, because I really like the HERA kit. The problem is, by the time you're done building it, you've made a SBR. Not a bad thing, in and of itself. Provided you're allowed to do so in your home state and you have $200 to pay your Tax Stamp.
 
tmtomh said:
Here is a BIG THANK YOU to RJRIVERO! Your The Man! I have never ran across that website.


Below is what I was "shooting" for!
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You're most welcome. Just remember, once you put that barrel and shoulder stock on it, you've made a rifle out of a pistol. You can't change it back into a pistol again unless you Register it in the NFA registry first.
 
Go with the Hi-Point, you can't get any better than 100% and you'll save a lot of moolah.

Normally I'd agree, but I'd go with a Kel-Tec Sub-2000 that takes Glock mags...

You're most welcome. Just remember, once you put that barrel and shoulder stock on it, you've made a rifle out of a pistol. You can't change it back into a pistol again unless you Register it in the NFA registry first.

Actually, the ATF got slapped by the courts for that one...I'll look around for the case...
 
Ridge_Runner_5

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You're most welcome. Just remember, once you put that barrel and shoulder stock on it, you've made a rifle out of a pistol. You can't change it back into a pistol again unless you Register it in the NFA registry first.

Actually, the ATF got slapped by the courts for that one...I'll look around for the case...

Thompson Center appealed all the way to the US Supreme Court and won. ATF takes the position that the SC ruling applies ONLY to the pistol/carbine kit sold by TC.
 
I agree with Dogtown. The only exception is a Thomposon contender that is bought as a kit. All at the same time in a single package.
 
All of this brings to mind an item that was sold by F.I. prior to the 68 GCA in the US. It was a an "upper" that consisted of a long barrel contained in a wooden rifle type stock and was intended to be used with the frame from one of the French Unique (I think it was the Model "L") .22 cal. pistols to convert it to a handy .22 carbine. Presumably, under current ATF guidelines, once converted, reversion would constitute an illegal SBR.
 
Ridge_Runner_5 So buy a HERA stock from the same shop you buy your Glock, on the same day, and you're good to go...
Huh?
Doing the above makes ZERO difference than if you bought your Glock at your local gunstore and the HERA from a mail order dealer. The TC case was about a manufacturers "kit" sold as a receiver, pistol barrel, rifle barrel and buttstock- all in one package.

If Glock sold a stock WITH the pistol, it might seem to be the same situation as the Thompson Center case. BUT......as ATF has said, the Supreme Court decision in favor of Thompson Center applies ONLY to that particular "kit", not to other pistol/carbine kits that may be manufactured in the future.

While ATF is correct in that the court decision was only about the TC kit, it is seldom that Supreme Court decisions are not applied to other similiar situations. The "Miranda ruling" didn't require every person who had not been read their rights at arrest to appeal their case to the SC.


IANAL, but ATF seemed to be applying the strictest interpretation of the National Firearms Act possible. It is the "firearm made from a rifle" language in the NFA that results in the ATF prosecution of these cases- so all of our ire cannot be directed solely at the ATF.

Common sense would tell me whether I have a handgun or a rifle in my hands. Being that my Glock left the factory as a handgun should not change that fact-ever. On the other hand it is rather dificult to actually make a rifle into another firearm without it looking like it was made from another firearm. When the NFA was passed, modular AR style firearms were decades from being invented, so typically the only "firearms made from a rifle" would have been bubba jobs- ie. rifles that had their barrel and buttstock sawed off to make a concealable firearm. It wouldn't be too much trouble for ATF to redefine what is a "firearm made from a rifle".
 
I own a mechtech 1911 conversion.
I use a 1911 "lower"...

I make certain that the BATFE is not in my livingroom when I disassemble the firearm to clean it.
I often will clean more than one 1911 pistol at the same sitting.
It is very frightening to know that I could have a bunch of felonies sitting on my table.:eek:



YMMV.
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I own a mechtech 1911 conversion.
I use a 1911 "lower"...

I make certain that the BATFE is not in my livingroom when I disassemble the firearm to clean it.

Thats not a problem putting a pistol upper back on is.
 
Impulse Gun barrels

Sorry to bring up this old thread. With the ATF Ruling 2011-4, I was interested in perhaps making a rifle conversion for one of my glocks. I went to find the Impulsegunbarrels.com site and it seems that it is down.

Does anyone know if there are any other sources for 16" Glock barrels?

Thanks in advance.
 
Carbine Conversion legalities - the final word

Hello All - I have been watching the discussion about "pistol-to-rifle-and-back"
legalities and there have been some significant updates by the BATF regarding this. I too have had hesitation about purchasing the Mech Tech but I am now satisfied that there are no BATF legal issues and I now own a Mech Tech. It turns out that Mech Tech has been beaten up by the legality thing and they have recently posted complete documentation on their forum. You can go there and study for yourself: http://www.mechtechsys.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=431
Also the American Rifleman magazine (Nov.2011 issue, Pg.90) in their ILA column clarifies in plain English that going from pistol to rifle and back does not violate BATF rules. As indicated on the Mech Tech site the BATF has recently ruled (July 25, 2011) that this is OK. This ruling has come about later than most of the post dates on this thread. A copy of the actual document is on the Mech Tech site - same link as above. This is good news for all such conversions and the people who want one of these as well as other manufacturers.
 
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