Glock Manual Safety Article.

While I would not mind a manuel safety on my glocks, more for my wifes ability than mine, I have used my glocks in IDPA for several years now, lots of high speed drawing and shooting. Never ever had a A/D or N/D of any kind, but then, I keep my fingers off the trigger unless I want the gun to go bang right now!

Deaf
 
I'm not going to argue about whether a Glock should have a manual safety or not, but I do have to jump in and say that the idea that some people have that swiping off a thumb safety is slow and awkward need to go practice more.
 
I don't consider swiping the safety slow and awkward, just forgotten. If I carried a 1911 every day the issue would go away because the safety would come off as part of a reflex action. But I don't carry a 1911 enough to avoid having to remember to disengage it. I don't have that problem with Glocks and most certainly would not pay for the opportunity.
 
I'm not going to argue about whether a Glock should have a manual safety or not, but I do have to jump in and say that the idea that some people have that swiping off a thumb safety is slow and awkward need to go practice more.


It is slow and awkward compared to not having to do it.
PAT
 
Gee whiz, all these years I've been able to push the tiny little button safety on my 870 in time to hit flushed quails or doves is just a fluke.

If your gun has a safety, learn to use it. It is all a matter of practice. I off safe my 1911 as I draw it. But I guess I better go switch to a Glock, because I'll be to dumb to do it under stress. ;)
 
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Welcome to TFL. I knew when I saw the thread subject that you'd be having a rough time of it, but be thankful you didn't post this on GlockTalk! It would have been MUCH more brutal.
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Too late for that.


Viper:

If you have proof show it. Don't worry if I agree with it or not.
 
I believe I know what documentation Viper is thinking of. Massad Ayoob has been keeping track of documented cases where a manual safety kept somebody from shooting an officer in a gun snatch. Last I heard he has something like 60 cases.
 
orlando_5,

It's as if you think I'm lying just to justify my point. Is that what you think--that I just threw that whole thing(about the safety saving 1911 users' lives in a gungrab situation) out there for the hell of it, without there being a basis in fact? If that's the case, I'd have to say "Not too cool."
 
PAT,

C'mon. Most tests involving rapid response defensive shooting give the edge to 1911 style handguns over Glocks when it comes to time. It may average 2/10 of a second, but certainly they are not slower.
 
Jager1


The 1911 can be shot faster I did not claim otherwise. I said that a gun with a manual safety will be slower than one without. I should have clairified in saying identicle guns. A 1911 in condition 0 will be faster than on in conditions 1.
PAT
 
I don't think you're making things up, but I don't think 60 cases qualifies as fact when you don't have a break down of how those cases were collected, or when. If you can show 60 cases in the last year, that is closer to "fact" than 60 cases over the last 20 years. (That still only qualifies as anecdotal stories of this happening.)

I'd like proof also.
 
I am not saying you are lying. You said you have proof. Then show it. That is all I ask.

On the issue of Massad Ayoob studies, I tend not to believe them. There is a love hate relationship with him for many gun owners. He said one thing and does the opposite.
 
I didn't say I had proof. I said I could obtain proof. But, you know what? To be honest, I'd rather not expend the effort. What's the point, anyway? I know I'm right.
 
You make claims that you cannot back up. What does that tell us? How can you be right if you don't show us proof?

This is not an attack on you. If you don't have it just said so. If you have it show it to us. We would like to see it.
 
It's an awful lot of effort to expend. If I asked you to go out and get documentation for something, would you feel like doing it if your weren't getting paid to do it?
 
Welcome to TFL. (From some of the comments, you're getting a warm welcome indeed!)

Your article parallels one which was just published in American Handgunner magazine.

If you read various GLOCK forums, you'll see that most GLOCK malfunctions may be traced to the use of non-stock parts of questionable design or manufacture. IMHO this manual safety fits into this category, and will until tens of thousands of rounds have been fired from a dozen or more guns fitted with this safety.

I'm not a devotee of Jeff Cooper, but his memorable comment about DA/SA autos seems applicable to a manual GLOCK safety: A solution in search of a problem.
 
It's an awful lot of effort to expend. If I asked you to go out and get documentation for something, would you feel like doing it if your weren't getting paid to do it?
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This is not about me. This issue is about both of you. You came in here gun ho and said you have proof. Now you two have to back those words up. This is what I call creditability.

I assume you two don’t have proof. Lets leave it as it is.
 
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