Glock kb
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I had a KB three years ago in my Glock 23 with the last round in the magazine.. It blew the magazine out and locked the slide back. The noise was deafening, even with ear protection. Although it wasn't apparent then, it broke the trigger pin. It was educational.
Things I learned:
1. When Glock says don't use reloads, that includes factory reloads and not just personal handloads. Reload cases have, by definition, been fired at least once and may be weakened. The headless case was recovered.
2. Using eye protection, as I always have, will save your vision, as it did mine that day. My face was splattered around my shooting glasses.
3. Glock builds strong guns.
4. It is a rare happening. I shoot 50 to 100 rounds most every week through Glocks (40 S&W or 10 mm) amounting to thousands of rounds since the KB and it has not happened again.
5. The ammo and not the gun was to blame.
Things I learned:
1. When Glock says don't use reloads, that includes factory reloads and not just personal handloads. Reload cases have, by definition, been fired at least once and may be weakened. The headless case was recovered.
2. Using eye protection, as I always have, will save your vision, as it did mine that day. My face was splattered around my shooting glasses.
3. Glock builds strong guns.
4. It is a rare happening. I shoot 50 to 100 rounds most every week through Glocks (40 S&W or 10 mm) amounting to thousands of rounds since the KB and it has not happened again.
5. The ammo and not the gun was to blame.
Mo_Zam_Beek
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Nomax on -
I own exactly 1 Glock - a 27.
I'm not saying it wasn't an ammo failure.
What I am saying:
1.The link states that this was factory ammo.
2. There seems to be a lot of KB stories with pics on the web. 95% are of a Glock. Yes, one can argue the number of Glocks sold etc.
3. The HK crowd IS STILL WAITING to see a KB
Now, if there are several storys (with pics) of KBed Glocks resulting from factory ammo - it would stand to reason that we would seem a proportionate share of KBs in all other popular manufacturer's weapons.
We dont.
Glock did the same thing with the trigger defect in the early 90's. They are slow to recall defective weapons - why - cost.
Glock owners need to question more than blindly defend.
I own exactly 1 Glock - a 27.
I'm not saying it wasn't an ammo failure.
What I am saying:
1.The link states that this was factory ammo.
2. There seems to be a lot of KB stories with pics on the web. 95% are of a Glock. Yes, one can argue the number of Glocks sold etc.
3. The HK crowd IS STILL WAITING to see a KB
Now, if there are several storys (with pics) of KBed Glocks resulting from factory ammo - it would stand to reason that we would seem a proportionate share of KBs in all other popular manufacturer's weapons.
We dont.
Glock did the same thing with the trigger defect in the early 90's. They are slow to recall defective weapons - why - cost.
Glock owners need to question more than blindly defend.
Mo_Zam_Beek
New member
I've heard of at least 3 HK USP .40 Kb's...
You may well have, and I am not going to dispute what you have "heard".
I personally have heard that the moon is made of cheese. Although NASA seems to have some fairly convencing evidence to the contrary.
I have never seen a pic of a KBed HK (other than the 9mm that was butchered by that wannabee gunsmith with a bad porting job). I have seen several Glocks.
So aside from what you have heard - we are still waiting for pics and a credible story.
Bottom line - all guns can blow if you put a hot enough round into them.
My point was - there seems to be enough stories with pics about Glock KBing with FACTORY ammo that it is concerning. Regardless of the number of Glocks owned in the USA is would statistically unlikely that these same people are the only ones mis-fortunate enough to have bought a bad lot of ammo.
Owners of other major makes of weapons should have a proportionate number of KBs with factory ammo. If they dont - (which ostensiblely speaking - they don't) this would indicate that there may actually be something inherent to the design of the Glock which in some capacity contributes to these failures.
Glock has already show a reluctance to recall bad product. Understandable considering the economic and non economic (read loss of consumer confidence) consequences of such action. However, their position is made more defensible by those that are unwilling to question the design or these failures.
That was all I was trying to say. It is ok to question, the ass you save by doing it - may be your own.
You may well have, and I am not going to dispute what you have "heard".
I personally have heard that the moon is made of cheese. Although NASA seems to have some fairly convencing evidence to the contrary.
I have never seen a pic of a KBed HK (other than the 9mm that was butchered by that wannabee gunsmith with a bad porting job). I have seen several Glocks.
So aside from what you have heard - we are still waiting for pics and a credible story.
Bottom line - all guns can blow if you put a hot enough round into them.
My point was - there seems to be enough stories with pics about Glock KBing with FACTORY ammo that it is concerning. Regardless of the number of Glocks owned in the USA is would statistically unlikely that these same people are the only ones mis-fortunate enough to have bought a bad lot of ammo.
Owners of other major makes of weapons should have a proportionate number of KBs with factory ammo. If they dont - (which ostensiblely speaking - they don't) this would indicate that there may actually be something inherent to the design of the Glock which in some capacity contributes to these failures.
Glock has already show a reluctance to recall bad product. Understandable considering the economic and non economic (read loss of consumer confidence) consequences of such action. However, their position is made more defensible by those that are unwilling to question the design or these failures.
That was all I was trying to say. It is ok to question, the ass you save by doing it - may be your own.
As much as I love having my information equated to the moon is made of cheese theory...
Read through the Glock kb! FAQ - it mentions that Frank James has documented HK USP Kb's. I wrote to him and he said that it involved a handload using AA #5 powder (same as many of the Glock kb's!), and that it took place several years ago and he didn't think any photos are available.
I'm not saying that Glocks are more resistant to kb'ing than USP's, or vice versa. I'm simply pointing out that HK USP's have been known to kb.
Read through the Glock kb! FAQ - it mentions that Frank James has documented HK USP Kb's. I wrote to him and he said that it involved a handload using AA #5 powder (same as many of the Glock kb's!), and that it took place several years ago and he didn't think any photos are available.
I'm not saying that Glocks are more resistant to kb'ing than USP's, or vice versa. I'm simply pointing out that HK USP's have been known to kb.
Now this got us wondering. A few weeks back my friend pick up some case failure at the range. It wasn’t one or two it was over a dozen case failures all of them was Federal. Before I get started let me say that I use Federal ammo a lot and this post is by no means bashing Federal products. I never experience any trouble with Federal Ammos.
All the case failures were Federal .45ACP and NOT .40 *.*. We do not know what gun the ammo was use in. We are 90% positive that it not reloading because there were other .45 ACP undamaged casing lying around. We all know that reloaders pick up their undamaged brass.
My friend and I would like your opinions on why there were so many case failures and what might case it. Here are the pictures:
http://www.docilekids.com/temp/Split+Federal+45+ACP.jpg
My friend did experience a case failure (forgot what brand, it was NOT wolf ammo). It was a steel case that was fire from his Mak 90 (AK47). Here is the picture:
http://www.docilekids.com/temp/7,62x39+steel+stress.jpg
All the case failures were Federal .45ACP and NOT .40 *.*. We do not know what gun the ammo was use in. We are 90% positive that it not reloading because there were other .45 ACP undamaged casing lying around. We all know that reloaders pick up their undamaged brass.
My friend and I would like your opinions on why there were so many case failures and what might case it. Here are the pictures:
http://www.docilekids.com/temp/Split+Federal+45+ACP.jpg
My friend did experience a case failure (forgot what brand, it was NOT wolf ammo). It was a steel case that was fire from his Mak 90 (AK47). Here is the picture:
http://www.docilekids.com/temp/7,62x39+steel+stress.jpg
I would have no doubts about this issue if only the G17/19 Kb's were ever mentioned. But the 9mm's never seem to fail, even when morons shoot lead through them.
No, its almost always the 22/23, now I happen to like the G23, but it does make you wonder what is REALLY going on.
Mike H
No, its almost always the 22/23, now I happen to like the G23, but it does make you wonder what is REALLY going on.
Mike H
Platymingo
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orlando's case pics
The 4th pic in the lower right of
http://www.docilekids.com/temp/Split+Federal+45+ACP.jpg
Is that really a case failure? It's not a crack like the steel case. It looks almost like the powder was stuck to the inside of the case, and when burned, it cut a slit in the case. Were there any other bulges or marks?
Pretty weird.
The 4th pic in the lower right of
http://www.docilekids.com/temp/Split+Federal+45+ACP.jpg
Is that really a case failure? It's not a crack like the steel case. It looks almost like the powder was stuck to the inside of the case, and when burned, it cut a slit in the case. Were there any other bulges or marks?
Pretty weird.