saw this on another board. Just gave my dad a G23 for Christmas. Whoops.http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?topic=5241&forum=14&start=0
Glock kb
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What exactly do you mean by "whoops"?
I've seen three 1911s KB. Does that mean I should never buy a 1911 or allow anyone I care about to own one?
Had a student show me the photographs of his SIG (229) after it KB'd. Guess I better never buy a SIG.
Had a student bring a S&W revolver into class that was missing the topstrap and the upper half of the cylinder. Better never buy an older S&W revolver.
I participated in the discussion of that KB you cited and from all that was said the chances are it was an ammunition problem, rather than any fault in the gun. I suggest you do a little more investigation into the subject before making such sweeping generalizations.
I've seen three 1911s KB. Does that mean I should never buy a 1911 or allow anyone I care about to own one?
Had a student show me the photographs of his SIG (229) after it KB'd. Guess I better never buy a SIG.
Had a student bring a S&W revolver into class that was missing the topstrap and the upper half of the cylinder. Better never buy an older S&W revolver.
I participated in the discussion of that KB you cited and from all that was said the chances are it was an ammunition problem, rather than any fault in the gun. I suggest you do a little more investigation into the subject before making such sweeping generalizations.
DaveT:
I meant whoops as a joke. It was a bad joke and you jumped all over it but I guess I touched some exposed Glock nerve. If I gave my father a Glock I bet there is a good chance I like Glocks.
sar
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I meant whoops as a joke. It was a bad joke and you jumped all over it but I guess I touched some exposed Glock nerve. If I gave my father a Glock I bet there is a good chance I like Glocks.
sar
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sar,
you have broken the cardinal rule: Glocks must never be criticised, only praised!!!
And remember, "peening" is normal, in fact the Glock was designed to "peen". "Peening" should never be confused with "wear", or "rubbing:. No other guns "peen", they are not manufactured correctly.
Bowser
Pp.s. - I do carry a Glock 22, but that will change when I get my Valtro money!
you have broken the cardinal rule: Glocks must never be criticised, only praised!!!
And remember, "peening" is normal, in fact the Glock was designed to "peen". "Peening" should never be confused with "wear", or "rubbing:. No other guns "peen", they are not manufactured correctly.
Bowser
Pp.s. - I do carry a Glock 22, but that will change when I get my Valtro money!
Bowser you are right. I will repent and make a pilgrimage to Deutsch-Wagramand and from now on I will promise to only praise the Glock. Also, I will tell the next 10 people I see shooting 1911's how unreliable their gun has proven to be over the last 90 years and to watch out for KB's. Also, I shall feel invincible as I cruise around the city because I have perfection on my hip.
I only posted the link so that the many of us who depend on guns can be aware of what can go wrong and to be prepared. I said whoops as a joke hoping my father (an old style beat cop who loves his .38) doesn't abuse me about new style guns, etc...
I only posted the link so that the many of us who depend on guns can be aware of what can go wrong and to be prepared. I said whoops as a joke hoping my father (an old style beat cop who loves his .38) doesn't abuse me about new style guns, etc...
Wow! Some people are extremely sensitive. I re-read sar's initial post several times and I find its intent was convey the fact that there was a Glock Kb. I certainly did not detect any implied criticism -- just information honestly communicated. I thought that was TFL's fundamental purpose -- to share germane firearms-related information, in a mutually respectful manner.
By the way, I own Glocks and many other handguns. Thus far -- fortunately -- no Kbs.
By the way, I own Glocks and many other handguns. Thus far -- fortunately -- no Kbs.
Wow, you guys call me sensitive when all I ask for is the facts??? That particular load would've probably blown any pistol up, it just happened to be a Glock.
Is it a kb! by a faulty cartridge? Yes
Would it matter what pistol that round was shot in? No
Blaming the glock in this case is like blaming a Lexus for not running because it was in a high impact head on collision.
Wow... Look it's a Lexus on a Tow Truck, they must not be reliable
Is it a kb! by a faulty cartridge? Yes
Would it matter what pistol that round was shot in? No
Blaming the glock in this case is like blaming a Lexus for not running because it was in a high impact head on collision.
Wow... Look it's a Lexus on a Tow Truck, they must not be reliable
Just for the record, when 1911s kb it is usually the fault of some Ed Brown wannabe who uses the Dremel he got for Christmas to hog too much material from the barrel throat. The .45 ACP is a low pressure round, and the case head has to be BADLY unsupported or the brass very cheap/worn before you get a kb. The .40 S&W is a very hot number, and it needs decent case head support. I know a lot of folks who love their Glock .40s but I personally prefer to stay with the 9mm.
Sar,
No one here has jumped on you. They just don't like it when people blame guns for ammo problems.
You can try to sound innocent but your post did talk about a Glock KB and then Whoops for giving one to your dad. Your Whoops was directed toward the Glock. Had your Whoops been directed toward the caliber you would have gotten away with it.
For what it's worth Bowser, I'm sure if he suggested it was a Sig, Colt, HK, or any other guns fault he would have gotten the same replies.
A good statement would have been "I'm glad I got my dad a Glock 40 because if it does KB he may be spared injury". Ou of all the gun KB's I've seen pictures of, the Glock's tend to blow in a manner that causes the least harm. Usually the mag well blows out and the chamber swells or cracks.
No one here has jumped on you. They just don't like it when people blame guns for ammo problems.
You can try to sound innocent but your post did talk about a Glock KB and then Whoops for giving one to your dad. Your Whoops was directed toward the Glock. Had your Whoops been directed toward the caliber you would have gotten away with it.
For what it's worth Bowser, I'm sure if he suggested it was a Sig, Colt, HK, or any other guns fault he would have gotten the same replies.
A good statement would have been "I'm glad I got my dad a Glock 40 because if it does KB he may be spared injury". Ou of all the gun KB's I've seen pictures of, the Glock's tend to blow in a manner that causes the least harm. Usually the mag well blows out and the chamber swells or cracks.
Selfdefnz,
One of the 1911s was a Department Issue MKIV Serries 70. It was shooting reloaded "training" ammunition. The second was also a Serries 70, but a Commander. The last one was a parts gun, frame and slide were WWII mis-matched parts. In all three cases I believe the cause was double charged 45 ACP reloads.
The SIG was also shooting reloads and from the description I was given the most logical explination was that it too was a double charge (40 Auto with lead bullets).
My objection to the original post was that it's tone did not imply the humor later claimed. It sounded like buying his father a Glock was a mistake. I was not defending Glocks. I was arguing against jumping to conclusions without all the facts.
In the KB cited, I think it may have been caused by bullet setback. According to the original post describing the KB it was with factory ammunition.
One of the 1911s was a Department Issue MKIV Serries 70. It was shooting reloaded "training" ammunition. The second was also a Serries 70, but a Commander. The last one was a parts gun, frame and slide were WWII mis-matched parts. In all three cases I believe the cause was double charged 45 ACP reloads.
The SIG was also shooting reloads and from the description I was given the most logical explination was that it too was a double charge (40 Auto with lead bullets).
My objection to the original post was that it's tone did not imply the humor later claimed. It sounded like buying his father a Glock was a mistake. I was not defending Glocks. I was arguing against jumping to conclusions without all the facts.
In the KB cited, I think it may have been caused by bullet setback. According to the original post describing the KB it was with factory ammunition.
Thanks Dave T,
I am a 1911 fan and owner. I have yet to buy a Glock but I feel the pull. My CHL paper work is in the works. I reload too so I was wondering if reloads were a factor.
The 1911 and Glock are different firearms with different good and bad points. For me the lack of a separate thumb engaged safety and grip safety on the Glock is a stumbling point. The lack of those features are precisely what make the Glock attractive to so many others.
The kb deal is a worry to me.
I wonder how the same weapon that can handle the 357 SIG blows on the 40.
Selfdfenz
I am a 1911 fan and owner. I have yet to buy a Glock but I feel the pull. My CHL paper work is in the works. I reload too so I was wondering if reloads were a factor.
The 1911 and Glock are different firearms with different good and bad points. For me the lack of a separate thumb engaged safety and grip safety on the Glock is a stumbling point. The lack of those features are precisely what make the Glock attractive to so many others.
The kb deal is a worry to me.
I wonder how the same weapon that can handle the 357 SIG blows on the 40.
Selfdfenz
Jim Watson
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"I wonder how the same weapon that can handle the 357 SIG blows on the 40."
There are not nearly as many .357 SIGs out there. There are not as many outfits making junk .357 SIG ammo. I wonder if the existing .357 SIGs are being shot as much as the .40s. At least some .357 SIG owners are buying .40 barrels for the privilege of shooting junk ammo.
The only guns I personally seen destroyed were:
1. A S&W 686 on the range. The shooter ran short of ammo. A bystander handed him some. kaBoom. Half of cylinder and topstrap in orbit. Bullseye is not really a good powder for full charge .357 Magnum. A double charge isn't good at all.
2. A Charter Arms .44 Special Bulldog at a dealer's. Chambers a little deep, .44 Magnum ammo with too heavy crimp. kaBoom. Half of cylinder and topstrap in orbit again.
3. A Combat Commander .45 displayed by deputy at the courthouse. Cheap bulk commercial reloaded ammo. My gunsmith thinks hydrogen embrittlement from nickel plating may have given it a head start. kaBoom. Going around as many pieces in a paper bag.
Not including numerous bulged barrels of all sorts from squib loads pushed out with the next shot.
Lots pictures of busted Glocks, tho.
There are not nearly as many .357 SIGs out there. There are not as many outfits making junk .357 SIG ammo. I wonder if the existing .357 SIGs are being shot as much as the .40s. At least some .357 SIG owners are buying .40 barrels for the privilege of shooting junk ammo.
The only guns I personally seen destroyed were:
1. A S&W 686 on the range. The shooter ran short of ammo. A bystander handed him some. kaBoom. Half of cylinder and topstrap in orbit. Bullseye is not really a good powder for full charge .357 Magnum. A double charge isn't good at all.
2. A Charter Arms .44 Special Bulldog at a dealer's. Chambers a little deep, .44 Magnum ammo with too heavy crimp. kaBoom. Half of cylinder and topstrap in orbit again.
3. A Combat Commander .45 displayed by deputy at the courthouse. Cheap bulk commercial reloaded ammo. My gunsmith thinks hydrogen embrittlement from nickel plating may have given it a head start. kaBoom. Going around as many pieces in a paper bag.
Not including numerous bulged barrels of all sorts from squib loads pushed out with the next shot.
Lots pictures of busted Glocks, tho.
swampgator
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Glock236
I once pulled a teletype of NCIC concerning KBs in Glocks that a department had (2 in one day, firearms training). I kept it somewhere and wil have to find it. Anyway from what I understand the problem seems to be agencies using lead bullets for practice then using JHPs afterwards. The lead tends to accumulate in the lands and groove and eventually they blow.
Please bear in mind I post this not to start an uproar, just to point out that they do indeed occur. More so in 40 S&W than any other caliber.
I once pulled a teletype of NCIC concerning KBs in Glocks that a department had (2 in one day, firearms training). I kept it somewhere and wil have to find it. Anyway from what I understand the problem seems to be agencies using lead bullets for practice then using JHPs afterwards. The lead tends to accumulate in the lands and groove and eventually they blow.
Please bear in mind I post this not to start an uproar, just to point out that they do indeed occur. More so in 40 S&W than any other caliber.