Glock gen 4 vs 5

I bought a Gen 5 though I really don't care one way or another on the finger grooves. I like having the "latest and greatest" and like the idea of no "no hardcast lead" warnings for the barrels.

Performance wise I doubt there is a difference. For most people it boils down to a simple question: finger grooves or not?
 
There is a little more than that to consider.

The G5 has that cut-out in the lower leading edge of the grip. Some people report that this can hurt the little finger during recoil. I can't tell you if it hurts mine as I haven't fired a G5 version. Yet.

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Really wish I could rent and shoot in this town. Also what’s with all the hate for glocks? It’s not like it’s taurus or hi point.
 
The hate for Glocks is the same reason people hate Chevy, Ford, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW - etc. Take your pick.

There are a lot of them out there, they are the benchmark, and its easy enough to hate them.

Soulless things devoid of aesthetics. All they do is function
 
Lohman described it pretty much to a T.

I love blued steel and walnut in a gun, grew up with it like I'm sure many of us older gen on this board has.

I'm sure many of us still remember laughing and chuckling at those silly 'plastic' guns when they came on the scene in the 80s. The crazy trigger pull they had, the sloppiness in construction, that block looking slide and what the heck is this lever on the trigger?? etc...

But...with all that said, I own 3 Glocks now. I won't say I'm Glock guy or anything, but I will say without hesitation that when SHTF a Glock is what I would reach for above all else.

They work. Nothing fancy, they just work.
 
Sorry but I guess I should have commented to the original subject of the post as well. As far as difference between Gen 4 and 5, again, just whatever is your cup of tea.

Personally mine are all Gen 4s, but thats only because I haven't had a chance to procure a Gen 5 yet. I will say though, I have held and fondled a Gen 5 G19 and I think I may just prefer no finger grooves given a choice. I'll jump on one if I get the chance and give it a try.

In the meantime, I'm pretty sure you can't go wrong with either choice as long as its your choice.
 
Gen 5 w/Ameriglo Bold sights. Has a number of improvements, to include no finger grooves, ambi slide lock, better sights, better finish, et. al.
 
The Gen 5’s have the nicer nDLC finish on the slide, they have the “Marksman” barrel that supposedly improves accuracy over the standard polygonal barrel, but it takes a marksman shooter to guarantee accuracy anyway.

“IMHO” the Gen5 trigger is smoother and breaks nicer, you may or may not agree. Again, “MHO” here but I can live with the grip finger grooves if it’s a Gen4 17 and I’d rather not have the grip finger grooves if it’s a 19 (or 26).

I’m beginning to think that the upgrades on the Gen5 models justify the up charge of the Gen5 compared to the Gen4, particularly the nDLC slide finish on the Gen5.
 
That all sounds great about the Gen. 5. Can one of you guys explain to me about the nDLC slide finish?

Is it better or more durable than the Tenifer finish was on the earlier Glocks?
 
I don't know if true about nDLC, but Tenifer/Melonite are metal finishes.

I did zero research, but I would guess Tenifer metal treatment is still being used and the nDLC is the "black" coating you see on the slide.

Metal treatment vs metal coating
 
I held the glocks and theyre interesting. I mostly want one for reputation, price, reliability. I want something that won’t jam constantly and won’t break. Something I’ll be shooting a lot for years. Don’t have funds to buy guns constantly. I held a usp9c and it was amazing but a thousand bucks. I may shell out extra for it but wonder about how much abuse and maintenance it needs vs a Glock. VP9 looks really nice for around same price. If you have to choose between VP9 and Glock 19/17 which would you pick? Especially if looking for something that will last a long time and easy for a beginner? Also if decide on usp9c over Glock and VP9 is the 999 dollar price tag worth it?
 
Depends what it is for. I decided to give up a carry gun rotation and pick one gun to stick with. Money was “no object” because I sold enough of the collection to fund any pistol I wanted. I tried hard to not buy a Glock and ended up with a G19.
 
The USP and its derivatives are tanks. But considering you’ll need about $10,000 of the cheapest 9mm blasting ammo bought in bulk to even hit the lower limits of durability of either pistol, probably not a big consideration.
 
Ok, additional information in this thread. I’m responding in part to your OP and post #13.

When I bought my 19, I had a deal all worked out on a Gen5, but the credit card machine wouldn’t work at the dealer because I wanted to use some pre-paid debit cards I’d gotten as gifts to pay part of the purchase. Anyway, the deal fell through and I ended up with a used, but probably never fired Gen4 from another dealer who had no problems with the debit cards.

While I’d have preferred the Gen5, I am perfectly fine with the Gen4. What I liked about the Gen5:
- Better trigger. I know you stated in your other thread that you don’t care about trigger feel and that’s fine. It is something I consider. There are mixed comments I’ve seen regarding whether the trigger is “improved” or not, and maybe it is just a unit to unit difference but that Gen5 was better
- Better corrosion resistance with the new surface treatment.
- Night sights. The Gen5 had the night sight option which is really a good deal when they come with it.
- Undercut trigger guard. I personally liked that feature.

While I really like my USP9c, when I bought it many years ago it was about $625 new, out the door. At $1k, it is another level of consideration. But I wouldn’t necessarily rule it out, because I also prefer a hammer-fired pistol.

Again, just my $.02
 
If you are buying new get the Gen 5. If you already own a Gen 3 or Gen 4 keep it and enjoy.

I spoke with Larry Vickers and Ken Hackthorn who have shot just about everything and they said by far the Gen 5 is the best Glock ever made. They have shot high round count, 15,000 -20,000 round Gen 5s and they say they are the most accurate, most durable & best Glock trigger made to date.

I shot the 19X and it is a good gun. Did not make me want to take a loss on the Gen 3's and Gen 4s in the the stable trading in on a Gen but if I buy a new one I would pay the extra and get the Gen 5.
 
I think you should try before you buy if you have never shot a Glock pistol. For whatever reason I can't get them to hit where I aim to save my life.

They're good guns though.

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Let's look at your constraints:
I mostly want one for reputation, price, reliability. I want something that won’t jam constantly and won’t break. Something I’ll be shooting a lot for years. Don’t have funds to buy guns constantly.
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In this and your other threads, I'm seeing G17, G19, P320, VP9, USP9c. Of all of the pistols mentioned so far in this thread, the only one I own is a Gen 4 G19. So take that into account when reading my comments. I also understand from other posts that you are fairly new to semiautos (or maybe to handguns?), and that renting pistols is a chore for you. Is that all correct?

Assuming that it is, and knowing what assuming often gets me, I'm still going to suggest that you spend the time and $ to rent a few guns. Call the range ahead of time and make sure they have guns you want to rent. From what I read, all of the guns you've named are perfectly serviceable guns, from perfectly fine manufacturers. While any manufacturer can produce a lemon, I'd expect any one of the listed pistols to go thousands of rounds without worrying about breaking one or wearing it out.

Since this pistol is intended for carry (if I understood correctly), my selection process would go something like this:
  • I'd be leery of the P320. It's still pretty new on the market.
  • I'd also scratch the G17, and the VP9. I'd prefer to carry something closer to the G19 in size. I'd also add Gen 3 to the list. They're still awfully popular, and I have to figure that there's a reason.
  • I'd add the S&W M&P 9c, 2.0 and the CZP10c to my list. Those two are almost identical in size, weight and capacity to the G19.
  • Finally, I'd remember that the difference between a $600 gun and a $1000 gun is a holster, belt, mag pouch and about 1000 rounds of ammo.

ETA: I own a Gen 4 and I've held, but not fired, a Gen 5. Some folks are saying good things about the Gen 5, but the feel in the hand wasn't enough to get me to trade in my Gen 4.
 
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My answer would be gen 3. Having owned and shot examples from gens 3, 4, and 5, I have found nothing the later gens do better for me (other than shipping with an extra mag).

Add in the fact that the gen 3 pistols retail for less, and it's a no-brainer for me. But be sure to budget money for some good sights. $60 will get you steel Glock night sights, and the standard plastic sights are placeholders at best.

As far as 19 vs 17, I own examples of both, and if I had to choose only one, I'd pick the 19. Despite being smaller and lighter, I shoot the 19 just as well or better than the 17. That's not an uncommon experience. The grip "hump" of the 17 feels more pronounced, and magnifies the awkward ergonomics of the Glock design.
 
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