Glock Flunks Reliability Test

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-It can also mean that the firing pin is not fully retracted when the case is being extracted/ejected.-

This is good? Seems it would open the possibility of a broken striker.

No I would have to disagree with you on this one Mike.
What it means is that the striker is protruding from the slide and hitting the primer before the action is closed. This happens when you rapid fire, It does not happen on the first shot (action is already closed) but on the second and third and fourth and fifth.

Firing pin hits primer as action is closing and shell is tilting up into the chamber, result teardrop shaped indent on primer.

Try the rapid fire test before you disagree with me.

Is this problem dangerous? I dont know but it could be with +p+ ammo.
 
As the owner of a Sig 229 (.40) and a Glock 31, I'll answer that. I'll take the 31. I've had the 229 for years, qualified with it as my carry weapon, carried it for years, and still pull the first DA shot unless I really slow down. The 31, however, has that (by comparison) sweet trigger pull that's consistent from round to round. It's also lighter for more rounds.
 
Mike is right concerning the firingpin drag. The 'teardrop' shape of the indentation, IMO, is caused by the firing pin not retracting back into the bolt/slide before the case is ejected. I've seen firing pin drag marks from hotter ammo used in my SIG, Taurus, IIRC also my USP, and yes, even my AMT Hardballer on the rare occasions when it did function correctly. ALL during SLOW shooting. The hotter loads tended to increase slide velocity to the point of catching up and sometimes passing the firing pin's speed of retraction.

I have yet to see anyone work the trigger of any semi-auto handgun (in person) faster than the slide can cycle.
 
Yeah

12-34hom,

Cost to the police is the #! reason Glocks are carried by Police, period.

That's a pretty strong statement that ignores the procurement process. So you're saying that agencies with large budgets like the FBI/DEA/US Customs ignore everything but price? Does that also apply to extremely well funded groups like Britain's Queen's Guards?

What about light weight, ease of maintenance, reliability, consistent trigger pull, rust resistance, and customer support? I guess none of those things matter one bit.

By your logic than police should all be armed with Makarovs because they're a heck of a lot cheaper than Glocks. :rolleyes:
 
Which would you rather carry a Sig 229 in 357Sig or Glock 31 in same caliber. Which is the better overall weapon system??


As the owner of a sig 229 first then a Glock 31 I will take the Glock over the sig. It is more durable easier to shoot well due to its consistent trigger pull. Its easier to shoot fast and well due to its low bore line and quick trigger reset. The sig has one of the longest trigger resets on a DA SA pistol I have seen. This encourages shooter to slap the trigger in rapid fire because if they don't with a sig they will not let the trigger out far enough and the gun will not fire. The sig as mentioned before has a higher bore line and muzzle flip is much more noticable and slows shot to shot time. The sig also has a 12 round capacity compared to 15. The sigs aluminum frame will crack after lots of use. The sigs a good gun but I sold all of mine except my 229 sport. I kept that for plinking. The sig does have one thing ont he glock its more accurate.
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Cost to the police is the #! reason Glocks are carried by Police, period.

Um BS

Being a cop and seeing what cops pick for themselves in smaller departments where they don't get the huge price breaks, most still pick glocks. Why not because of cost but because their the best. ALso when people that are cops buy personal off duty of home defence guns what do they get Glocks.
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Master,

I've seen what you're talking about on a LOT more guns that just Glocks.

Here's the REAL test to figure out when it's happen.

Fire the gun two shots rapidly, and then eject the third round without firing.

Examine the primer.

I'm pretty confident that you'll find that the primer is unmarked, or only very lightly marked.

What you're describing is classic firing pin wipe that happens when the case is being ejected. My EAA Witness in 10mm looks like it stamped the primer with a piece of bar stock.

Try that test before you categorically say that it's happening when the slide runs home.

Even if it DOES happen when the slide is running home, is that really a bad thing? Many many firearsm have been designed over the years with no springs in the firing pin assembly. M 1, M 16, SKS, among others, and quite a few handguns, as well.
 
HMM after reconsidering the mechanical action of the glock it does seem I was wrong. You would have to pull the trigger before the slide closed for what I am suggesting to happen.

It does seem that its the firingpin dragging after the slide opens on ejection.
 
Glock better than Sig... Well thats one persons opinion;)

Of all the qualities i want in a handgun, Accuracy & Reliability are the two foremost.

I have and still own a GlockM-20 & Sig229, The Sig was hands down winner both catagories.

Personal preferance, thats all it amounts to for ownership of a personal defense weapon. When it comes to buying firearms on a budget for police officers, Glocks are chosen because of Price, #1 reason.

This is fact.

12-34hom.
 
12-34hom


Well your right it was my oppinion. But I disagree on the price issue. That is part of the reasoning but not all of it. If it were police would have stayed with revolvers. I was not trying to slam sigs either. I enjoyed the ones I owned (sig 229's (2 of them) a 226, 220 2 239's one in 9mm one in 357) they were all top notch reliable accurate guns. What sold me on the glock over the sigs were primarily the DA SA action defeciancies and the top heavy recoil charistics of the sig. I can shoot DA SA guns well but overall that first shot slows you down or makes you ocaisonally pull a shot out of the a zone. This caused my qual scores to be about 5 points behind what I can do with a Glock or 1911. It is also interesting that many agencies with lots of money to burn still pick glocks overall. Some don't but 70% or LEO's would not buy them if they were not a good gun.
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For some purposes, the Glock is better. Accuracy and reliability? The Glock is absolutely more accurate for the first round, unless you have your Sig tuned. My Kimbers are far more accurate than my Sig, and my HK beats them all. My Glock? I can do effective shots at all realistic street ranges. That's enough for me when it comes to a "grunt" weapon.
 
I have four Glocks, and three 1911 pattern pistols. I will say, based on my limited sample, that Glocks firing out of battery and 1911's not firing out of battery is pure malarky! I can take any of the Glocks and any of the 1911's, and I can get the 1911 to drop the hammer as far out of battery as I can get the Glock to drop it's striker. Both will do so up to perhaps 1/16" or so, color me surprised. FWIW, so will a host of other pistols...
 
From what I know an external hammer is preffered in combat for a "second strike" capability. It's kinda like the diffrence between automatic and manual gearshift in a car...the manual gives you more control.

That being said I have, use carry and like (not love) my Glock, and do love my Khar MK-9. I wish they had an external hammer, but I dont loose sleep over it..if all else fails, RACK the SLIDE...alomst as quick as a hammer thuming...

The pistol I sleep with is a revolver in .45 colt:)

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As for Wild Romanian...

Yah the test was a bit dangerous, and as shooting compatriots it is our duty to remind him. I would not want a charachter like him run off the boards....a walnut and steel man is not to be dissmissed, nor is a Plastic and Tennifer man....

ITS ALL GOOD!
 
To Tamara

As far as droping a gun the Sig with its aluminum frame is extemely vunerable to damage and failure.

I will agree that I would rather drop a plastic framed Glock than a Sig but in pistol wipping the Glock can fly apart . The Glocks slide is held on to the frame by 4 small carbide buttons which can pull out of the plastic frame or snap off because of the brittleness of carbide. True carbide is very hard but I have worked with it in industry and if you stress it the wrong way it does indeed crack or shatter. This is another reason I just would not use the plastic Glock as a club. It could indeed fly apart if you used it as a club. W.R.
 
I will agree that I would rather drop a plastic framed Glock than a Sig but in pistol wipping the Glock can fly apart .

Oh so we carry and use pistols as impact weapons now. Also sigs will not break if you drop them. THey may get dinged up but they are tough pistols. I will give one advantage to the 1911 its a better club and thats a good thing because it will jam more.
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"In pistol wipping the Glock can fly apart..."

Uh huh. Right. Whatever. :rolleyes:

I'll remember that next time I have to pistol wHip some sorry bastard into line.

I'm sure the Glock is also less suitable when used for a pry bar, jamming into the gears of the large industrial machine that's getting ready to chew your leg off, or when deflecting the sword chop of death being administered by a ninja assassin.

Jesus, WR, where DO you come up with this stuff?
 
"second strike capability..."

Izzy,

There are two schools of thought to that...

One is the "second strike school" the other is the one I prescribe to, the "If it doesn't fire the first time, I'm not going to waste time pulling the trigger again, I'm getting in the hell out of my gun for a round that will fire."
 
Whipping or wiping?

Did WP mean pistol whipping or pistol wiping? The former is ludicrous, but the latter sounds like really bad hygiene. You ought to try Charmin.
 
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