FWIW, I quote from page 163 of GLOCK - The New Wave In Combat Handguns - by Peter Alan Kasler:"Trigger safety. Located on the trigger, it prevents the trigger from moving far enough to the rear to fire the pistol, unless the trigger safety is fully depressed. This is a passive safety that can be analogized to the grip safety on Colt's Government Model."
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What could be better for a first gun than a Glock. It's the perfect first gun. It's just like a revolver, pull the trigger to make it go bang and no safties to figure out. Since you keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire there is no problem. An external safety can give a novice a false sense of security and they may keep their finger on the trigger. Some even pull on the trigger to be sure the safety is working. Do that with a Glock and you'll learn quickly why yo shouldn't and you'll be keeping your trigger out of the guard from then on. Glocks make perfect newbie guns as well as being suited for more experienced folk.
WalterGAII
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My daughter's first gun of any kind is the G26 that I bought her a few weeks ago. I trust that if she has enough sense to get into law school, that she has enough sense to own a Glock.
I think the trigger safety is there to make a trigger-snag related ND unlikely not impossible.
The difficulty with making anything completely foolproof is that fools are so darned ingenious!
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The difficulty with making anything completely foolproof is that fools are so darned ingenious!
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VictorLouis
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Glenn, I just learned of the M17s with the thumb safety myself. A contract for LE in New Zealand of all places! I would like to see it become available here. The 1911 guys alone would account for about a million sales! Particularly if it is intro'ed on the M17 framed .45 rumored to be in the works.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tecolote:
It takes more than a piece of clothing to actuate a Glock's trigger. Notice the smal safety inside the trigger, you have to provide full pressure to it as the trigger travels rearward.[/quote]
Actually, very little pressure is required to actuate the Glock safety on the trigger. At least, the four that I have don't require much pressure. I personally don't view that as a problem, but just how it works.
It takes more than a piece of clothing to actuate a Glock's trigger. Notice the smal safety inside the trigger, you have to provide full pressure to it as the trigger travels rearward.[/quote]
Actually, very little pressure is required to actuate the Glock safety on the trigger. At least, the four that I have don't require much pressure. I personally don't view that as a problem, but just how it works.
I also think that the Glock is not a good beginners gun (I own a G19). In the ideal world of handgun safety, you don't touch the trigger until ready to shoot. In the real world, you may keep the Glock in your console and grab for it in an emergency. In that flash instant of fear, are you ABSOLUTELY sure you won't be touching the trigger when grabbing the gun?
I also cringe knowing how many LEO's carry Glocks, especially when some of us shoot more in one afternoon of IPSC or IDPA than some cops shoot in a year. In some large cities, cops holster and unholster their guns several times a day. The chance for an AD is pretty high.
When we cut through all this macho "real men don't need external safeties" crap, what is the problem with having an optional external safety on the Glock? If you don't want to use the safety, just keep it off. The Glock isn't a revolver and it doesn't allow for a quick inspection as to whether it's loaded or not.
I also cringe knowing how many LEO's carry Glocks, especially when some of us shoot more in one afternoon of IPSC or IDPA than some cops shoot in a year. In some large cities, cops holster and unholster their guns several times a day. The chance for an AD is pretty high.
When we cut through all this macho "real men don't need external safeties" crap, what is the problem with having an optional external safety on the Glock? If you don't want to use the safety, just keep it off. The Glock isn't a revolver and it doesn't allow for a quick inspection as to whether it's loaded or not.
Howard:
If I'm carrying a gun, it's in my holster on my belt, or in a pocket holster in my pocket. In any case, the trigger is completely covered. I've left a gun loose in the console of my car (and probably never will). Even if I were picking up a gun from a flat surface in a hurry under stress, my finger won't touch the trigger until I'm on target, because that's how I train.
I never said there's anything wrong with an external safety. All my M1911s have one
and I prefer the M1911 design over any other.
If someone is concerned that the Glock trigger is too light, they can always have the NY or NY plus triggers installed. That will raise the resistance to 8.5 or 10+ pounds.
Jared
PS: I'm not macho. I'm pencil-necked computer geek.
If I'm carrying a gun, it's in my holster on my belt, or in a pocket holster in my pocket. In any case, the trigger is completely covered. I've left a gun loose in the console of my car (and probably never will). Even if I were picking up a gun from a flat surface in a hurry under stress, my finger won't touch the trigger until I'm on target, because that's how I train.
I never said there's anything wrong with an external safety. All my M1911s have one
and I prefer the M1911 design over any other.If someone is concerned that the Glock trigger is too light, they can always have the NY or NY plus triggers installed. That will raise the resistance to 8.5 or 10+ pounds.
Jared
PS: I'm not macho. I'm pencil-necked computer geek.
HowardK,
FWIW, I've been told that in Ga the gun NEEDS to be in some sort of holster if you are going to keep it in the glove box. It's supposed to eliminate that emergency grabbing problem, and the trigger won't "accidentally be hit by loose objects in the GB."
I was also told by my teacher who's a full-time Atlanta City Municiple Court Judge since 1984, that you CAN'T keep the gun anywhere you want in the car even if you have a permit... I found that strange because I was always told that you COULD keep it under your seat IF you had a permit. I don't think I'll try that now.
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FWIW, I've been told that in Ga the gun NEEDS to be in some sort of holster if you are going to keep it in the glove box. It's supposed to eliminate that emergency grabbing problem, and the trigger won't "accidentally be hit by loose objects in the GB."
I was also told by my teacher who's a full-time Atlanta City Municiple Court Judge since 1984, that you CAN'T keep the gun anywhere you want in the car even if you have a permit... I found that strange because I was always told that you COULD keep it under your seat IF you had a permit. I don't think I'll try that now.
Ben
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Rainbow Six
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Ben,
I think that the gun is supposed to be in the dash/glove box if concealed, or anywhere if it's in plain view. Personally, I don't give gun owners a hard time about where they keep it as long as they don't pull it on me while I have them stopped. I always ask if they have them and where they are, but I don't harass them if they are not in the above mentioned places.
Just my .02, being a cop that's against gun control in any form.
As for the original issue here...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If you don't want to use the safety, just keep it off.[/quote]
If you want a thumb safety, buy a pistol that already has one. A thumb safety is only clutter if you follow the rules. Of course, I guess Klinton and Gore would agree that it is needed to prevent us from killing ourselves. Personally, I don't need Klinton, Gore or a gun manufacturer to be responsible for my safety when handling my guns. I'll take full responsibility.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The Glock isn't a revolver and it doesn't allow for a quick inspection as to whether it's loaded or not.[/quote]
See firearms rule # 1!
#1- Treat every gun as if it is loaded.
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R6...aka...Chris
I think that the gun is supposed to be in the dash/glove box if concealed, or anywhere if it's in plain view. Personally, I don't give gun owners a hard time about where they keep it as long as they don't pull it on me while I have them stopped. I always ask if they have them and where they are, but I don't harass them if they are not in the above mentioned places.
Just my .02, being a cop that's against gun control in any form.
As for the original issue here...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If you don't want to use the safety, just keep it off.[/quote]
If you want a thumb safety, buy a pistol that already has one. A thumb safety is only clutter if you follow the rules. Of course, I guess Klinton and Gore would agree that it is needed to prevent us from killing ourselves. Personally, I don't need Klinton, Gore or a gun manufacturer to be responsible for my safety when handling my guns. I'll take full responsibility.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The Glock isn't a revolver and it doesn't allow for a quick inspection as to whether it's loaded or not.[/quote]
See firearms rule # 1!
#1- Treat every gun as if it is loaded.
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Rainbow Six
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Oh yeah, Ben. You can have it on your person in the car if you have a permit. I'm sure you knew that much, I just didn't want anyone to misunderstand the above post.
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The Glock has the safety device in the face of the trigger to prevent an AD incases where you are reholstering and accidentially snag the trigger on the holster. Thats what the told us at LEO Glock Armorers School. It makes sense and IMHO Glocks are not for novices either, just as the 1911 isn't either. Never carry a Glock with a loaded chamber unless the trigger guard is covetred by a holster, such as in the Mexican carry.
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It is easy to check if the Glock has a round chambered. Just look down into the barr....just joking.
Seriously, the easy way to check if a round is chambered is to 1) have finger off trigger, 2) point in safe direction, 3) pull the slide rearward about 1/4". This distance is enough to see the round.
As a disclaimer, this is a positive test to see if a round IS chambered. This IS NOT a postive test to see if the gun is unchambered. Because there is a remote chance that the extractor might not grab the round. In this case, sliding the slide open would not expose the round because the round was still fully in the chamber.
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Seriously, the easy way to check if a round is chambered is to 1) have finger off trigger, 2) point in safe direction, 3) pull the slide rearward about 1/4". This distance is enough to see the round.
As a disclaimer, this is a positive test to see if a round IS chambered. This IS NOT a postive test to see if the gun is unchambered. Because there is a remote chance that the extractor might not grab the round. In this case, sliding the slide open would not expose the round because the round was still fully in the chamber.
[This message has been edited by G35 (edited April 29, 2000).]
bad_dad_brad
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The trigger safety is specifically designed to avoid accidental trigger pulls from holstering, brushing against things, etc.
As to whether a Glock is chambered. If the trigger is forward consider it chambered and take all necessary precautions. A Glock is no different from a DA revolver in this respect.
That said, you can tell if a there is a physical round actually chambered in a Glock by rubbing your finger along the extractor. It will be slightly pushed out from the slide if a round is in the chamber. This is pretty noticable but can only be relied on from feel not sight.
Anyone who can be taught respect of a DA revolver surely can handle a Glock. I think it is an ideal beginners gun.
As to whether a Glock is chambered. If the trigger is forward consider it chambered and take all necessary precautions. A Glock is no different from a DA revolver in this respect.
That said, you can tell if a there is a physical round actually chambered in a Glock by rubbing your finger along the extractor. It will be slightly pushed out from the slide if a round is in the chamber. This is pretty noticable but can only be relied on from feel not sight.
Anyone who can be taught respect of a DA revolver surely can handle a Glock. I think it is an ideal beginners gun.
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If a Glock is not a good first gun...then neither is a revolver.
Patrick Seeber
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Never seen anything wrong with the Glock Hardware.
Only seen problems with the user Software.
If a Glock isn't a good beginning pistol, then some one needs to be retrained and stop teaching others...
The 4 LAWS work - but they are software.
Gotta be smarter than the shovel...
Only seen problems with the user Software.
If a Glock isn't a good beginning pistol, then some one needs to be retrained and stop teaching others...
The 4 LAWS work - but they are software.
Gotta be smarter than the shovel...
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