Glock 19X

[TunnelRat]

OK, fair enough. So what would you do and say as a reviewer? Can you name us a modern firearm from a major manufacturer that deserves a "big thumbs down"?

The thing is there are more than the two options of hate or praise, that’s a bit of a straw man when it comes to how reviews should go. What I like to see are mentions of both positives and negatives, and the reality is a number of reviewers and publications never get into the negatives. I have a lot of firearms I really enjoy, but none of them are perfect.


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[Brownstone322]

The thing is there are more than the two options of hate or praise, that’s a bit of a straw man when t comes to how reviews should go. What I like to see are mentions or both positives and negatives, and the reality is a number of reviewers and publications never get into the negatives. I have a lot of firearms I really enjoy, but none of them are perfect.

I am fully aware that reviews don't have to be binary or zero sum, and I've seen plenty of reviews that spread their commentary around. The Truth About Guns, for instance, rates firearms in multiple categories, then offers an overall rating. They're not all five-star reviews; I suspect four stars are most common.

As for "straw men," that's an Internet cliché, and while I do enjoy irony sometimes, that kinda comment is of no value to me. I'm not the one who came on here and suggested that reviewers are "shills" or "on the payroll," which is just silly. The reality is that modern firearms undergo tremendous R&D and market research before they reach the market, and while an individual item may not be right for you, a reviewer has to speak to a broad audience, and a new gun from one of the big makers is almost certainly is worthy of a positive review.

 

[TunnelRat]

And again you’re missing the point. I’m aware that many reviews will be positive, my point is certain reviewers never mention anything negative. I said that before, not sure how to make it clearer for you. I didn’t say everyone was a shill. My original comment was in regards to sooth00, a person I don’t find very objective.

Yes I imagine that most firearms that do make it to market are fine, but there is always an element of manufacturing excitement because that in turn gets views. The same is true for channels that only do negative reviews because that can get even more attention. There is also the reality that for many reviewers maintaining positive relationships with companies can be important unless they have the income to do everything out of their own pockets.

Just because a firearm functions isn’t really the bar for me to get excited. I expect that at the least. Maybe I’m jaded because I’ve owned most every current production pistol at this point and to me a lot gets made of differences that really aren’t that significant. A lot of pistols are quite serviceable, but then another serviceable pistol isn’t anything new. It’s a consumer based industry like any other that is at its peak for company and reviewer alike when people are out there buying products.

As for straw men, you’re talking that comment too personally. It was my way of emphasizing that reviews don’t have to be binary and that I know you know that. If you prefer me to rephrase it then I can.

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[Nanuk]

If they had gone for a 17 slide on a 19 frame it would be more useful. This is the antithesis of what a concealment gun should be.

That depends. A Glock 19 is to short for my hand. The grip is easy to conceal, depending on body type, size, holster, carry method. It just takes more commitment to carry a larger pistol. I have been concealing full size pistols/revolvers for 40 years.

The funniest one was pulling out a 6" L frame during a drug buy/bust wearing jeans and a T shirt in Texas heat. Everyone else was carrying a J frame and giving me the stink eye....

 

[TruthTellers]

These guys are shills.

I’d describe myself as a pretty big Glock fan. I can see why some would want this. But honestly a lot of the Youtube personalities are no different than the gun rags now. It’s all positive reviews and two thumbs up, and frankly that’s especially true of Sootch00.


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I don't watch Sootch00 for gun reviews, I watch him to show me the basic function of a gun, field stripping, any other features I might have overlooked, but not to tell me if something gets a thumbs up or down, especially if it's a new gun. If it's an old, long out of production gun like an H&R revolver or a Saturday Night Special, I'll listen to what he has to say and add the salt in where I feel he's wrong.

If he likes the Glock 19x, cool, but I have so much disdain for it that there's nothing he or others could say to make me think it's nothing more than an insult to my intelligence.

 

[gmoney]

To me having the full size grip with a little shorter barrel is no different than having a government model 1911 and a commander 1911 in your collection, same thing only with the Glock models.....I like the idea...!

 

[DPris]

Glock's answer to "Howscome you did that 19 slide/17 grip?" was "To keep it as close to the military submission as possible, minus the thumb safety."
Denis

 

[Old Stony]

It's hard to understand all the "hate?" being thrown at this new model. Come on guys, it's just a new variation and either take it or leave it. I personally think it might be a fun new variation to play with and if it doesn't fit precisely into any one category like target or concealment or whatever.....so what?

 

[DPris]

Phone call with Glock VP this morning.

19X was not designed for "us", it was designed to meet DOD MHS specs.
Concealability was not a primary consideration.

Thumb safety & lanyard loop mandated.
Lanyard loop retained in civilian model because Glock wanted to keep the pistol as close to the configuration submitted as possible. And it's easily removed.
Thumb safety not retained because Glock doesn't believe in it. Not necessary.

All internal Gen 5 upgrades included, built for durability & longevity.

Poly rifling used instead of conventional Gen 5 rifling, "enhanced" for accuracy by cutting deeper. Recessed muzzle crown for better accuracy.

Sticking to 9mm & tan for now, because that's what was submitted.
No need for second locking block pin in current 9mm frame.

POSSIBLE black down the road, not planned now.

Don't take the 19X as a personal insult, just view it as another Glock alternative, with STEEL sights.
Denis