Glock 19 vs....
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Do you rate all the same as far as reliability?
If so then I'd go cheapest to most expensive, partly for price and partly because I like the Springfield Armory stuff better than the Glock stuff but just being a Glock is NOT a deal breaker and if Glocks fit your hand then have at 'em.
If so then I'd go cheapest to most expensive, partly for price and partly because I like the Springfield Armory stuff better than the Glock stuff but just being a Glock is NOT a deal breaker and if Glocks fit your hand then have at 'em.
VoodooMountain
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It is harder to conceal the xd9 than the glocks. The grip safety and sa trigger are deal breakers for some as well.
You can also buy a 9mm barrel for the .40 cal glocks but not the other way around. However, there are potential reliability issues with the gen 3 .40 if he plans to use a weapons light.
You should also be able to find a G4 19 for around $500 which closes the gap a bit especially since it comes with an extra mag over the gen 3.
You can also buy a 9mm barrel for the .40 cal glocks but not the other way around. However, there are potential reliability issues with the gen 3 .40 if he plans to use a weapons light.
You should also be able to find a G4 19 for around $500 which closes the gap a bit especially since it comes with an extra mag over the gen 3.
sigarms228
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Glock 19 G4.
IMO it is worth the extra money to get the Glock 19 G4 over the Glock 23 G3.
I can shoot both 9MM and .40 well but at the range the .40 wears on me quicker and the ammo costs more. The G4 comes with extra magazine and back straps that the G3 does not.
I prefer Glocks over XD.
IMO it is worth the extra money to get the Glock 19 G4 over the Glock 23 G3.
I can shoot both 9MM and .40 well but at the range the .40 wears on me quicker and the ammo costs more. The G4 comes with extra magazine and back straps that the G3 does not.
I prefer Glocks over XD.
+1 on Sig arms' above response. The Glock Gen 4 with it's swappable back straps offers a slight advantage over the Gen 3. If you pick a Glock, I suggest your next purchase be the sub-compact of the one you pick on this time. You will find it advantageous for different dress modes such as summer or winter dress.
I'll agree with other posts for the Gen4 19. I have both the Gen3 and Gen4 of this gun and for me the different size grip straps are a wash. This is because I use the medium back strap on the G4 which makes it just like the G3 in size.
What pushes me over the edge is the larger magazine release on the G4. It is much easier for me to activate.
What pushes me over the edge is the larger magazine release on the G4. It is much easier for me to activate.
ammo.crafter
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CCW
Have you looked at the Walther PPQ M2?
Have you looked at the Walther PPQ M2?
I fully accept that there are other much better guns out there.....and there are threads to discuss which is best.
IMO, all these are fine guns. I'm just personally struggling with paying extra.....$140 extra....for a gen4 G19 over a G23 gen 3. My reasons are $140 vs interchangeable grip, improved grip surface and an extra mag....is it worth it? Especially, since a blind person can almost pick 40 s&w ammo that expands and penetrates effectively vs 9mm that requires more selection...
IMO, all these are fine guns. I'm just personally struggling with paying extra.....$140 extra....for a gen4 G19 over a G23 gen 3. My reasons are $140 vs interchangeable grip, improved grip surface and an extra mag....is it worth it? Especially, since a blind person can almost pick 40 s&w ammo that expands and penetrates effectively vs 9mm that requires more selection...
Are those both prices for new pistols? Seems like you're comparing the price of a used gun versus a new gun (you can find G19 Gen 4s for cheaper as well online, even with the transfer fee).
Hollowpoint technology isn't restricted to one caliber or the other. There are good examples in either caliber, IMO.
9mm is generally cheaper to shoot and can also be easier to shoot as well, though you say he shoots all of them equally. To me the cost of the gun is generally eclipsed by the cost of the ammo over the life of the gun. But there are some great deals on 40SW online as retailers try to clear out stock.
Edit: If he did want a G19 as opposed to the G23, this isn't the same price but it's a lot closer.
https://www.slickguns.com/product/glock-g19-g3-handgun-9mm-w2-15-round-magazines-and-75-gift-card-504-after-code-l3v
Both guns are new....not sure where you are shopping for a G19, but this is the best price I've seen online......both are new.
My ammo selection comment is based on Luckygunner labs shows 10 9mm loads I would carry vs 18 40 s&w loads.....my requirements are all test bullets expand, be within 20% of max diameter and penetration be above the min and fairly consistent across the 5 shots....all the 9mm's lack consistency. That is just my opinion and I don't expect others to agree.
My ammo selection comment is based on Luckygunner labs shows 10 9mm loads I would carry vs 18 40 s&w loads.....my requirements are all test bullets expand, be within 20% of max diameter and penetration be above the min and fairly consistent across the 5 shots....all the 9mm's lack consistency. That is just my opinion and I don't expect others to agree.
noonesshowmonkey
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Unless you have a compelling reason to use .40 S&W--such as your agency issuing weapons in .40 S&W / being already committed to the caliber in other weapons, magazines, and ammunition / have a mission-based need for the heavier round (defeating auto glass & car doors)--then you should strongly consider 9mm.
The cost to shoot is dramatically lower, and more training time plus more onboard ammo are far more deciding factors than the slight differences in diameter/weight of the projectile.
Not to sound like too much of a broken record, get the Glock 19 and be done with it.
The cost to shoot is dramatically lower, and more training time plus more onboard ammo are far more deciding factors than the slight differences in diameter/weight of the projectile.
Not to sound like too much of a broken record, get the Glock 19 and be done with it.
I see now the deals PSA and some others are running on G23s. If you notice the link I posted you could go G19 for $454 shipped. Not the same price I know but closer than $140 (unless for the G19 it has to be a Gen4 as opposed to the Gen3 in the G23). I'd argue the Glock 23 isn't the most comfortable pistol to shoot 40SW out of and that coupled with the downswing in popularity of the 40SW is one of the reasons the G23 is so cheap right now, but I realize that's subjective.
10 loads still isn't exactly limiting IMO as you can usually find a number of those in stock regularly. I did look at the charts and I get what you're saying about the standard deviation of the groups from 9mm vs. 40SW. I would point there were more 9mm loads tested (52 vs. 40) so you get a greater chance to see more variability in the 9mm tests. The differences in the final resting places of the 9mm shots were generally within a few inches without any stray shots that notably underperformed, which would be my concern. As you mentioned there are a dozen or so brands that still had consistent groups.
With the 40SW testing you had a number of brands and multiple loadings within those brands where the rounds failed to expand and either went almost to the edge or completely through the two blocks and a couple brands where 1 of the 5 shots would do the same. Only 3 of the 9mm examples got more than 3/4 of the way through and none went all the way through the blocks. To me this is overpenetration and at that point just use FMJ. This isn't me trying to say 40SW sucks, it doesn't. It's just me saying there are different downsides to both options.
I'd also say maybe your SIL should choose for himself since he's the one going to "live with" the pistol. Not sure what requirements lead to a choice between these 3 but there are a lot of choices on the market currently and other options for 40SW than just the G23. If you've already downselected together and it's just the final decision then my mistake.
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Nathan,
The obvious choice to me is a 3rd Gen Glock 19. The 4th Gens are fine but I prefer the 3rd gen Glocks when it comes to 9mm. I would chose a 19 over a 23 because of capacity, controllability, and because modern 9mm defensive loads are pretty much as good as modern 40's when it comes to stopping living things from doing whatever it is they are doing. Also ammo is a bit cheaper.This is all obvious stuff that I'm sure you know already.
Anyway, if you can get your hands on a 3rd Gen 19 I think that is the best way to go.
The obvious choice to me is a 3rd Gen Glock 19. The 4th Gens are fine but I prefer the 3rd gen Glocks when it comes to 9mm. I would chose a 19 over a 23 because of capacity, controllability, and because modern 9mm defensive loads are pretty much as good as modern 40's when it comes to stopping living things from doing whatever it is they are doing. Also ammo is a bit cheaper.This is all obvious stuff that I'm sure you know already.
Anyway, if you can get your hands on a 3rd Gen 19 I think that is the best way to go.
Overkill777
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Glock 19 Gen 4. It's really hard to go wrong with that.
@TR... Thanks for the link. Very helpful.
As for the 19 vs 23, I agree it's close. The guns to me are close. I probably shoot the G23 a bit slower...not sure as I have not shot S x S.
My SIL will pick his own gun. This conversation is not happening this way with him. I was asking here to break me from having too narrow of a focus. I bought the G23 because I wanted something to have as a backup CCW.....For $400, I'll give it a shot because unlike sooooo many, I really like 40 s&w in the right gun.
I liked it in my P40, but it is gone. I had to dedicate too much time to be proficient in the smaller gun.
Thanks.
As for the 19 vs 23, I agree it's close. The guns to me are close. I probably shoot the G23 a bit slower...not sure as I have not shot S x S.
My SIL will pick his own gun. This conversation is not happening this way with him. I was asking here to break me from having too narrow of a focus. I bought the G23 because I wanted something to have as a backup CCW.....For $400, I'll give it a shot because unlike sooooo many, I really like 40 s&w in the right gun.
I liked it in my P40, but it is gone. I had to dedicate too much time to be proficient in the smaller gun.
Thanks.
Congrats on the new gun Nathan. The 23 is a great one and id say it does have an edge over the 19 in it's own way. I'm sure you'll love it. Just don't get a 27!!! Those things are snappy! I know of a couple people who traded theirs in for a 26 after a couple years of ownership. I know of a guy and a girl (separate circumstances) who both bought the m&p shield in 40 despite me suggesting the 9mm. They got them, shot them, and now neither of them will even touch them anymore, lol.
I think the 23 is a reasonable balance if 40 s&w is your thing. Enjoy!
I think the 23 is a reasonable balance if 40 s&w is your thing. Enjoy!